Episode 6 Monique's Binder of Receipts and Helicopter Parenting

[00:00:00] Chris: [00:00:00] All right. All right. All right. This is the second part of our first episode of 2021. Uh, the first part we were talking about the election and the proud boys and the Capitol riots, and a lot of the, are you serious stuff? This is going to be the fun part of the [00:01:00] podcast. Uh, we're talking about some reality TV, some real Housewives, and an interesting question from a listener about leaving your kids home alone.

[00:01:10] Um, so if those topics aren't up your alley, um, you can go ahead and skip this episode and, uh, we'll be back to our regular scheduled programming next week. First of all, let me pour another glass of wine on that.

[00:01:35] So we're going to talk about two of the franchises right now. We'll we'll circle back on a couple of other ones later, but let's start with real Housewives of Potomac because girl. What a mess, what a motherfucking mouse. Uh, I, [00:02:00] so,

[00:02:04] so this season started out with this fight between Monique. And Candace Monique, for those of you who don't know is the wife of Chris Samuels, who I believe is a retired football player.

[00:02:21] Nancy: [00:02:21] Yep. Redskins. Oh, sorry. Washington football team. Sorry.

[00:02:25]Chris: [00:02:25] Have they not, had they not decided on a new name? No,

[00:02:27] Nancy: [00:02:27] they haven't.

[00:02:28]Chris: [00:02:28] But she is probably. Not probably, I think she is the wealthiest of the Housewives on the show.

[00:02:35]Nancy: [00:02:35] Ms. Monique, I have four homes Samuel.

[00:02:39]Chris: [00:02:39] Right. But do keep in mind, the only reason she mentioned she had four homes was because Jazelle was being shady and saying you don't have a home.

[00:02:47] Nancy: [00:02:47] Yeah, I agree.

[00:02:48]Chris: [00:02:48] But she's the richest housewife, which probably is the Impetus for some jealousy from some of the other women that she's on the receiving end of.  And [00:03:00] apparently, so she was very good friends with one of the other former Housewives named Shariece is no longer on the show.

[00:03:06] Thank you. Yeah, but she was married to, I guess, a well-known basketball coach for the MBA and they divorced, it was actually quite sad to watch because essentially, so imagine you've been ghosted by somebody that you were dating for a couple you've been on a couple of days. Cause then they just stopped responding to you.

[00:03:26] But imagine if you were ghosted by like your actual husband, that's what I can relate. He literally like she was in the family home in Potomac and he was traveling around the country because that's what you do, when you work with, in, in sports. And he literally just never returned home and stopped answering all of her calls.

[00:03:48]So, so, I mean it's sad, but that's what happened. He goes to her essentially, and then they I think now they've gotten officially divorced. Maybe not, but. Shariece is no longer a [00:04:00] housewife, probably because she didn't have a fucking storyline. And

[00:04:03] Nancy: [00:04:03] she barely had one when she was on the

[00:04:04] Chris: [00:04:04] show, but Shareece and Monique apparently became, very close in the course of the first couple of seasons.

[00:04:11] And, Monique believed that Shariece, I don't know why. I don't remember what the source was of they're perceived fallout, but I think she believes Shariece was she was spreading rumors about her or something, or there was something that Sherese did that just made her made money country's fallout.

[00:04:32] So anyway, then Candice, another housewife who is a pageant queen I forget which Competition. She won if nobody

[00:04:41] Nancy: [00:04:41] cares. Cause

[00:04:42] Chris: [00:04:42] it's  I don't even think it was a national, I don't think it was like miss USA or miss universe. I think it was, I think it was a regional, like miss, Maryland, something inner Harbor.

[00:04:52]But  she's like a pageant girl. And what she's been doing for a living all this time, I don't know, but her [00:05:00] mother, her parents are wealthy and they basically let her live in their house for free. So. Candice and her husband, Chris different Chris Chris. Yeah. So white Chris that'll make it easier.

[00:05:13] White Chris owned some like barbecue restaurant or something and they live in their house, but the rent was paid or mortgage rather was paid by Candace's mother. So Candice was also good friends with Monique and Monique fell out with Candice because. Shariece was invited to canvas's engagement party.

[00:05:36] Cause she got engaged to her white Chris and, Monique was pissed that she was not given a heads up by Candice that Shariece was going to be at this event. And she felt that it was intentional on Candace's part and shady. Like I set up,

[00:05:50]Nancy: [00:05:50] I thought it wasn't an engagement party. I thought it was the anniversary of their wedding party

[00:05:56]Chris: [00:05:56] whose wedding.

[00:05:57]Nancy: [00:05:57] Of Candice and white. Chris, [00:06:00]

[00:06:00]Chris: [00:06:00] they're not married. Candice

[00:06:01] Nancy: [00:06:01] and white

[00:06:02] Chris: [00:06:02] Chris. They weren't wait what?

[00:06:05] Nancy: [00:06:05] They're absolutely. They're absolutely agreed. It was an anniversary. Let me Google because I'm 99% sure. It was an anniversary of the

[00:06:14] Chris: [00:06:14] wedding.

[00:06:14]Nancy: [00:06:14] Because remember that terrible fucking assay you song. That was his wedding gift.

[00:06:20]Chris: [00:06:20] Okay. I totally forgot

[00:06:21] Nancy: [00:06:21] that. Yeah, that horrible fucking ICU song. That was his wedding gift. So it was a, yeah, sorry.

[00:06:29]Chris: [00:06:29] The beginning of this season, they had a party, I guess, to celebrate their anniversary, which  at that time, They don't have any money. Like Chris just sold his restaurant. I believe Kansas doesn't have a source of income.

[00:06:42] Her mother pays her rent and I forget what the number was that they said this party costs, but it was a lot of money. And

[00:06:50]Nancy: [00:06:50] That's a very bougie spot I've been there that yeah. They spend way too much money. And I don't understand the purpose really one year out guys, and we're patting ourselves on the back [00:07:00] already.

[00:07:00] We didn't want to just be patient, maybe wait till five.

[00:07:03]Chris: [00:07:03] I guess they needed a storyline, but so so Candice and Monique fell out. Because of Shariece being invited to this event, Candice maintains that she didn't even know that Shariza and Monique had problems, which when he doesn't believe.

[00:07:18] So that's the source of all this animosity between them and it ended up I think they were at like a  what was it? A winery or a last season. Yeah, they will know this one were where they were fighting. It was

[00:07:33] Nancy: [00:07:33] in, they were doing like a wine tasting. Yeah. At some farm.

[00:07:37]Chris: [00:07:37] And it just, it was a petty back and forth that just escalated into a canvas, like put her hand in Monique's face that triggered Monique.

[00:07:48] She started flipping canvas has hair and. Then canvas was like, drag me and Monique grabbed her hair and smashed her [00:08:00] face down on the table. And then it was like, she refused to let go of Candice's wig. So she, she did, she had her like Candice's wig wrapped around her hand. And I think she was like punching her with the other hand.

[00:08:15] And Candice had a glass of wine. In her hand that broke when her head was smashed. And so Monique thought that she was trying to hit her with the glass and it just, it turned out

[00:08:30]Nancy: [00:08:30] on here. She was very clearly swinging that broken wineglass towards mode.

[00:08:36]Chris: [00:08:36] Well, she says that she. I actually, I forget what exactly her defense was for what she was doing with the cloud.

[00:08:42] I think she was saying my, my head was stuck down on the table and I didn't have anything free other than my hand that was holding the glass. No,

[00:08:52]Nancy: [00:08:52] She didn't even say that on the reunion. All they did the whole time was just Monique. That didn't happen to Zelle and Candice, all them insisting [00:09:00] that Candice didn't do anything with the glass, but they even showed it during part three of the reunion of.

[00:09:05] Candace's hand swinging with the broken wineglass in it. And that's how Monique got the cut on her face. I'm so over Candice, like I'm so over her, I like. I can't take it, which she's like, and now I have to see therapies and all this stuff, because it was so traumatic. And I put post-its that say, you can do it up on my mirror.

[00:09:29] Like get fucked. Meanwhile, in the three breaths you took before that you're super rude, mean dragging all these other girls for the most minor shit. I hate Candice. And I don't think now that Monique has left the franchise. I don't plan on watching any more of the real Housewives of Potomac. I can't stand Jazelle.

[00:09:51] I can't stand Candace. I do like Robin Karen is hit or miss. Sometimes I love her and sometimes I'm really annoyed. I [00:10:00] can't stand windy. I think Wendy was a horrible addition to the show.

[00:10:04] Chris: [00:10:04] I could not believe they're keeping one, two year round. I cannot believe they're bringing her back. I

[00:10:09] Nancy: [00:10:09] really can't.

[00:10:09] Yeah. So I've just, I'm going to just not watch next season because. I'm just yeah. With who they have left. So

[00:10:18] Chris: [00:10:18] just to finish the so, so the fight was like really dramatic with, like there was blood, there was bruises. They ended up pulling Monique away and pulling her into the stairwell and CLO, blocking her from the door.

[00:10:32]She, Monique was still trying to get in. She could hear a canvas in the background, still talking shit. About how she's going to get her fired and this and that Monique was like in just rabid mode. And so she ran out the stairwell and through, out the back door to run, to get Candice, Candice was leaving didn't end up succeeding because I think somebody grabbed her, but it, it was, but it was a very dramatic event.

[00:10:58] And basically the rest of the season is [00:11:00] spent. With the rest of the girls dragging her for what she did. And basically acting like Candice was a complete, like innocent victim and the whole thing. And she didn't deserve any of that happening to her. And that Monique was just like this awful monster who, attacked her, which, I'm not going to say it's right to physically attack someone, but Candace has a way of.

[00:11:23] Running her mouth in a way that is extremely. Provocative. And she comes across to me like somebody who grew up in a bougie environment where she's not used to have, I don't think she's ever been in a fight in her life because she's never had, she's never had to stop and think about her mouth and think, is this going to get my ass beat?

[00:11:44] That's just my take on canvas because she's so reckless with the stuff that she says, and somebody will say something to her that maybe is Kind of shady or, a little whatever. And she, her responsible be so [00:12:00] like outsized and so like dramatic in comparison to what was done. And so below the belt that it's like, she's clearly somebody who's walking around with a lot of anger and bitterness that rather than putting it to where it.

[00:12:16] Belong, which is probably her mother. Who's an awful person. She like releases it in these spurts when people come for her. And she says Oh, well, I, I'm just defending myself. I'm just clapping back. And it's like, maybe, but

[00:12:31]Nancy: [00:12:31] it'd be more proportioned if that was accurate.

[00:12:34]Chris: [00:12:34] Yeah. And, It's

[00:12:36]Nancy: [00:12:36] To give context to people that do not watch the real Housewives of Potomac.

[00:12:40] This would be similar to Someone would say to Candice, like, Oh, I don't know that I really like those shoes. They look kind of like maybe a little too Payless, like a light read like that. And she would come back with like her mother's a fucking con like it's that much mismatched it's. She goes so extreme and off the rails.

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] And she's had her little violent outburst in previous seasons too. When she was banging that knife on the table, when she was screaming at Ashley.

[00:13:07] Chris: [00:13:07] Yeah, let's talk about that.

[00:13:09]Let's talk about that. Let's talk about what you don't want out. Oh my God.

[00:13:15] Nancy: [00:13:15] Don't you dare come near my husband.

[00:13:17]Chris: [00:13:17] What you don't want out for everybody to know?

[00:13:21] Nancy: [00:13:21] Why don't you eat a piece of bread? Maybe you'll calm down.

[00:13:23]Chris: [00:13:23] I love the AMS, our version of that.

[00:13:25]Nancy: [00:13:25] She does defend you, Kim. Oh, speaking of real quick I don't know if you watch hell's kitchen.

[00:13:32]Lisa Vanderpump is in the neck, a new episode coming out, Nick. Oh, lovely. So I'm purely watching it for that.

[00:13:38]Chris: [00:13:38] So, yeah, I mean, they basically spent the entire season ostracizing, Monique, she, held a meeting with them or she said, I know I shouldn't have done that, but in the moment she just triggered me and I, reacted and,

[00:13:52]Nancy: [00:13:52] And GSL brought her own security with her to that meeting.

[00:13:55] And then left like minutes into Monique explaining [00:14:00] where she was coming from.

[00:14:01]Chris: [00:14:01] Jesus Christ. So. But yeah, they basically spent the whole season ostracizing her and making canvas out to be this completely innocent, pure victim,

[00:14:12] Nancy: [00:14:12] and also trying to gauge each other and hold each other accountable to actively exclude Monique from.

[00:14:19] Anything that they were doing as like a cast. So every trip that they went on, every party that was held, like it was such a point to bring up like, well, you didn't invite Monique. Right? Like if it was so middle school,

[00:14:33]Chris: [00:14:33] Yeah. And not only that, but cam Karen who's, the oldest housewife on the show and, acts, she considers herself the grand Dom of Potomac and like,  she basically thinks she's the Lisa Vanderpump of the franchise essentially.

[00:14:48]Hey, no way. And her husband is the black bill gate. So she says but Karen was trying to kind of be. Mediator, so to speak because she's friend friendly with [00:15:00] both Candice and Monique, who are the youngest housewife? Well, actually, maybe Ashley think August, I forget Ashley is the youngest. Yeah. But they're younger.

[00:15:09] And she sort of sees them in kind of an auntie is sort of way. So she was trying to kind of be there for both of them, but everyone was ganging up on Karen basically saying. You need to join us in completely icing out Monique and stopped talking to her and don't invite her to things and don't, defend her and blah, blah, blah.

[00:15:28] So it was obvious to me from the beginning that Robin Wendy and Jazelle were essentially. Trying to not to say that Monique wasn't wrong for having attacked her, but they clearly latched onto this like dogs with a bone as a way to weaponize it, to get her fired from the show. It's clear to me that's what their intention, but did

[00:15:52] Nancy: [00:15:52] she, was she truly fired though?

[00:15:54] Or

[00:15:54] Chris: [00:15:54] did she just  no. I'm not saying  no. I'm just saying that's what their intention was. That's where they were. That's what they were [00:16:00] hoping the outcome would be. Gotcha. And they, Didn't succeed because ultimately Monique did end up getting a contract offer for, to come back from the following season.

[00:16:08] Yeah. But but all the foe outrage, I mean, they acted like she stabbed her or something or, you know what I'm saying? Like their reaction was so extra and so ridiculous. And to get to what Nancy was mentioning before. There was an incident. I forget if it was last season or the season prior where they had a dinner at Candice's house, her townhouse paid for by her mother who where she and Ashley were fighting about something.

[00:16:36] I forget exactly what it, I think it was with regard to that was the season where Ashley's husband  was accused of having Grote a. Cameraman or somebody on the .

[00:16:48]Nancy: [00:16:48] Yeah.

[00:16:48] Chris: [00:16:48] Yeah. And So there was all this talk about Michael groping people. His name is Michael Michael groping people and comments.

[00:16:57] He made about wanting to suck one Dixon's [00:17:00] Dick one Dixon is he's a former basketball player. Who's the husband to one of the Housewives, Robin Texan. So there were like all these conversations about whether Michael was gay or he was cheating, or he w this or that. And That conversation came up at this dinner party.

[00:17:17] I believe it was Candace who, I didn't know if it was Candace who brought it up. It might've been Jazelle cause she's usually Nazi like that. But basically Candace was the one who was really pressing the issue and the two. And so Candice and Ashley ended up getting into a back and forth where Ashley said.

[00:17:35] Like, this is a, I forgot what Candace's mother's name is, but she said this is house or something like that. Basically dragging Candace for her, her being for being 30 or however old she is. And her mother's paying her mortgage. And Candice was so triggered by it that she stood up, grabbed a butter knife and was waving it in Ashley's face violent, like as if she was going to like, [00:18:00] Stab her with it.

[00:18:01] And

[00:18:01] Nancy: [00:18:01] white Chris had to run over and physically hold her back as she was screaming.

[00:18:06] Chris: [00:18:06] Yeah. So this whole idea of like, Candice being disliked, wilting flower, that just, yeah. She just uses her words, but she would never resort to violence is bullshit because she already is. She's already done it in a previous season.

[00:18:20] She just, yeah. And succeeded.

[00:18:21] Nancy: [00:18:21] Yeah. I think those were all crocodile tears.  The whole, like,

[00:18:26]Chris: [00:18:26] can we talk about, can we talk about the fucking, the constant dabbing of the tears with it too?

[00:18:33]Nancy: [00:18:33] I can't, but her folded tissues. So with that bullshit, I

[00:18:37] Chris: [00:18:37] mean, if I were her, I would start so selling t-shirts with like a picture of her with folding tissues on it, because it's like the full, the Candice Dillard folded tissue is like more iconic than anything else she's ever done on the show.

[00:18:51] Correct. Every episode, she's crying about something and she's got a folded tissue in her fucking confessional interviews, dabbing the tears away from her [00:19:00] eyes. So it won't mess up her makeup. And it's like, girl, what are you crying about?

[00:19:04] Nancy: [00:19:04] Yeah. And I just, I hate it when she was like, Oh, and now I'm in therapy because I'm so traumatized by this girl.

[00:19:12] You had a whole other host of other fucking issues going on. So if this is the thing that finally got your ass to go, then that's a silver lining bitch.

[00:19:19]Chris: [00:19:19] Yeah. And I'm sure that her lawyer told her started going to therapy for this because. Everybody that has something like this happened to them, or even if it's like a car accident or whatever the lawyers always say, go to the doctor, go to the chiropractor, go to this, to that.

[00:19:33] So that you would have a paper trail showing that you've been traumatized and you have all these expenses and blah, blah, blah. So I'm sure that her seeing a therapist because she was so called traumatized by this event is just legal strategy on her. I did

[00:19:48] Nancy: [00:19:48] spit out my wine when Andy Cohen said during the reunion.

[00:19:52] To Candace that she's a disaster on Twitter or her Twitter is disgusting. I don't know how deep you've gone in the history [00:20:00] of some of her posts, but she posts some truly gross shit on Twitter.

[00:20:04]Chris: [00:20:04] I don't look at her Twitter account. I don't even think she's verified. She's not she's Monique. Is that sure.

[00:20:11] Which is by the way, sad, because Bravo could get her easily verified. I don't know why

[00:20:15] Nancy: [00:20:15] they have it because no one gives a shit about her ever in life except for white Chris.

[00:20:19]Chris: [00:20:19] But no, I've never onto her social media page, but I've just seen like the screenshots of the tweets that they've showed on air.

[00:20:26] And I'm like, It's just so toxic. Like it's just toxicity being spewed again and again. And so it's like, I'm sorry, talk shit. Get hit. That's how I feel. You can't you can't just keep getting under people's skin like this and, getting all up in people's face because that's not the time.

[00:20:44] That's not the first time she's gotten into Monique's phase. She did it again. She did it previously. When we, they were at I think they were doing a horseback riding or something,

[00:20:52]Nancy: [00:20:52] eating barbecued food at some farm, because I remember they all had on like, flannel looking shirts and cute little shorts.

[00:21:00] [00:20:59] And that's when Monique was literally like, I will drag you pregnant and all. And I was like, Oh,

[00:21:04] Chris: [00:21:04] got it. Yeah. And again, she was saying, drag me. So it's like don't fucking tell people to drag you bitch, unless you want them to actually drag you because clearly you ended up getting dragged.

[00:21:14] Nancy: [00:21:14] Well, that proves even more that she's. Lived a life completely unchecked.

[00:21:19] Chris: [00:21:19] Yeah. And so my thing is, I feel when you're in somebody's face like that's an aggressive, that's an aggressive stance that requires a response when you're like in somebody's face, you're putting your hand or finger right in their face.

[00:21:34]That's just asking to get your ass beat and which, by the way, Robin, I think it was Robin did the same thing to Ashley a couple seasons ago when they con randomly confronted her at her restaurant, which was

[00:21:46] Nancy: [00:21:46] so bizarre. That was a very cringy episode.

[00:21:49] Chris: [00:21:49] Yeah.  But anyway, so this whole storyline basically kept going throughout the whole season of this whole Candace and Monique fight.

[00:21:58] And which side are you on? And [00:22:00] Karen, why won't you take a side? And it culminated ultimately in a reunion that was extremely messy.  Starting from the fact that. Monique showed up to the reunion with a binder. Full of receipts.

[00:22:18] Nancy: [00:22:18] I come, I've never been more like, I don't think I've ever salivated as much at a preview for a real Housewives reunion as I did for that one when she said, well, I have it in my little binder right here.

[00:22:33] I was like, Oh, this bitch, she printed out receipts,

[00:22:38] Chris: [00:22:38] but I just live for the fucking close-up shots showing that there were different tabs in the binder for each housewife. Like I'm just, I can't ask someone who is a as an, as a receipts connoisseur. I just. I have to Marvel at the effort that was put in to [00:23:00] because she stand.

[00:23:01]Yeah. But I mean, I will say I was a bit disappointed that we didn't get to see more of what was actually in the receipts book because she had a whole binder full of stuff, but the main thing that she pulled out, actually, the only thing I think that she actually pulled out. At in the very first part was essentially, so one of the Housewives Jazelle is, was married to a famous pastor named Jamal Brian in Atlanta, pastor.

[00:23:27] I think he was in Atlanta. Yeah. Oh, wait.

[00:23:30]Nancy: [00:23:30] Yeah.

[00:23:30] Chris: [00:23:30] It's Atlanta.

[00:23:31]Are you sure. Let me see Jamal Bryant. Cause I know that he was in Atlanta at the time or the reunion, but I don't remember if that's his home base of like where he's been preaching all these years.

[00:23:43]Nancy: [00:23:43] I thought it was Atlanta,

[00:23:45]Chris: [00:23:45] but it was born in Boston, raised in Baltimore.  Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm sure he, I'm sure he travels around the country doing different events and stuff, but yeah, I think he was based in, okay, here we go.

[00:23:58] Yeah. In December [00:24:00] 18, he transitioned from empowerment, temple, African Methodist, Episcopal church. Jesus. That's a mouthful in Baltimore to  Atlanta. So he, up until 2000, December, 2018, he was in, he was preaching in Baltimore. But anyway, so they had been together for many years. He made a lot of money as a pastor.

[00:24:22] And is he okay?

[00:24:24]Oh Jesus. So But he, I mean, he was sleeping with everybody in the congregation, basically cheated on Jazelle with everybody in town has all these different baby mamas and Jazelle ultimately left him. And so she was single at the time that she came onto the real Housewives. Well, this year she decided to get back with him and to the chagrin of her daughters who were teenagers and.

[00:24:53] Are upset with her, with their father for basically what they did to their mom. And they don't want, I mean, they love their father, but [00:25:00] they don't want her, their mom to be with him. But she's getting back with him in this season of the show, but they keep talking about throughout the whole season. Why every time Al comes to an event, he's never there.

[00:25:13]And so she's, while he's traveling well, he's doing this well, but well, she always has an excuse for why he's never there, regularly, the other Housewives typically bring their husbands to various events that they have. And so in the reunion there talking about Jamal and they're like, well, where is he?

[00:25:32] What, why isn't he here? Oh, he's busy in Atlanta doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile everybody else says, well, actually, no, that's not true, Michael wasn't there. Cause he was working well. So Ashley says, and then one Dixon was working as well. Although I believe he actually is working. He said he's the only house husband that I actually really, I think he's like a normal same person.

[00:25:55] Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Well I like Chris too, but he can also [00:26:00] be a little.

[00:26:01] Nancy: [00:26:01] He has some weird misogynistic moments where I'm like, Ooh, did we really just

[00:26:05] Chris: [00:26:05] say that? Yeah. I think he's like one of those, like old-fashioned Southern people who just has very like, outdated ideas about like gender. Yeah. But was that Louie?

[00:26:17] Nancy: [00:26:17] Yeah. I'm sorry. He's crawling, like I'm trying to get him off of he's literally on my Chromebook.

[00:26:23]Chris: [00:26:23] So the main thing that Monique brought out at the reunion was that Monique's relationship with Jamal was not real, that it was fake and that she asked him to pretend that they were getting back together so that she could have a storyline on the show. That's what Monique alleged and I, and Karen was basically backing her up and.

[00:26:46]Of course chisel denied it. And so Monique brings out receipts, text messages between Jamal and another woman where Jamal is texting this woman, talking about wanting to meet up with her [00:27:00] and the woman saying, well, what about, well, what about what you have going on in Potomac? And he basically, in so many words says to her, that's just for television.

[00:27:08] That's not real right. And so she starts reading these back and forth. Lovey-dovey text messages between Jamal and this random woman. And Giselle's sitting there with her face cracked, but still trying to pretend like, Oh, this isn't real. And I don't know what Monique printed out from her receipts book and what she put together, but it's all fake.

[00:27:28] And so then Monique's in the part that really is the true gag of the season. Monique Reed, it's out Jamal's phone number from the text messages and says  that's his phone number, right. And then Andy turns to Alan says, is that Jamal's number? And she like pause for a second. Then she goes, yeah, that's his number.

[00:27:49]And it was just, and then we fucking cut to black

[00:27:52] Nancy: [00:27:52] bitch. I mean, do you mind? I've been through a lot, there's a lot that people say and we were.

[00:27:58] Chris: [00:27:58] But when y'all were announcing that y'all got [00:28:00] back together, he told his girlfriend at the time that it was just reality TV and it wasn't true. Thanks.

[00:28:06] How do you know that? I know because the lady who he's been dating for years

[00:28:10] Nancy: [00:28:10] only dating relationship for awhile,

[00:28:13] Chris: [00:28:13] she's a pastor. And she reached out to me a long time ago. She sent a bunch of screenshots pictures of him in her bed and everything else. And I was like, yeah, I'm not going there. I don't play dirty, but just out likes to play dirty.

[00:28:27] I'll go ahead and return since I'm here right now, but he's definitely been talking to another woman and it's clear

[00:28:32] Nancy: [00:28:32] conversations. And if you'd

[00:28:34] Chris: [00:28:34] like to see them, I got them in my little receipt book right here. He's always asking about her schedule. He sent in screenshots to her

[00:28:40] Nancy: [00:28:40] whenever he's doing his little church tours.

[00:28:43] How do you know those texts are real? You want me to call

[00:28:45] Chris: [00:28:45] out his phone number? I'm sure she knows what his phone number is or why. No, Mark Bryant. Is that his phone number?

[00:28:52]Yeah, that's just one of them,

[00:28:53]unfortunately. Does that upset you? If that's his phone number? She just said. I don't believe anything that comes out of Monique's

[00:29:00] [00:28:59] Nancy: [00:28:59] mouth. Did you a full binder that you spent

[00:29:03]Chris: [00:29:03] time out of your busy schedule, even a task binder together to

[00:29:07] Nancy: [00:29:07] read verbatim? What a whole might've said about the pastor that's it's pathetic

[00:29:12] Chris: [00:29:12] and low.

[00:29:13] Of course, I'm going to bring my receipts to back up everything that I'm saying. So why you sitting over here having fake fraudulent relationships with your ex your kids? Ain't even happy about it. You sitting up here sitting like a darn frog, bringing the different man onto the reunion every freaking year.

[00:29:26] I hope

[00:29:26] Nancy: [00:29:26] he's sitting behind you this year. Holy whore.

[00:29:29]Chris: [00:29:29] Since you want to keep calling my husband, big boy

[00:29:31]Nancy: [00:29:31] is tamale coming.

[00:29:32]Chris: [00:29:32] No, he's not.

[00:29:33]Nancy: [00:29:33] Wow.

[00:29:34]Chris: [00:29:34] Your pastor boyfriend is slinging his big D all around his congregation, even in Atlanta, as we speak. And you know it, you

[00:29:41] Nancy: [00:29:41] know, it, your fraud, any reaction to this, of course she doesn't

[00:29:45] Chris: [00:29:45] have reactions because she knows it's true.

[00:29:47]Like I can't, I mean, I will say all things considered, she handled it reasonably well. I mean, yeah. Not as good as, I mean, to me, the person who handled getting [00:30:00] exposed the best out of any household I've ever seen is Phedre when she got exposed for lying about cancer

[00:30:05]But I still believe to this day that she was on Xanax or some kind of mood stabilizer, because that was just something was wrong with her that day. I think she knew she was going to get, she knew she was going to get dragged for filth unexposed. And she was like, let me just pop a couple of Xanax.

[00:30:18] Yeah. But. But just out was just sitting there silent. I mean, Andy kept trying to prod her to give an answer. Like, do you have any response to this? Do you, can you say something? And she just was kind of, it was like, what can you say? And it was so funny because as Monique is reading off all the receipts, Candice is sitting in the background, trying to basically say, Oh, nobody cares about this thirst book and this is pathetic and blah, blah, blah.

[00:30:42] And then as soon as. Just I'll confirm it. The phone number was Jamal's. Candice just goes well, that's unfortunate.

[00:30:49]I mean, it was just, it was iconic.

[00:30:53] Nancy: [00:30:53] Yeah. That's that is probably my that's gotta be my top five favorite real [00:31:00] Housewives reunions ever. So the other thing too though, and I don't know. Do you follow Andy at all on

[00:31:06] Chris: [00:31:06] Twitter girl? I think I have him blocked seriously

[00:31:09]Nancy: [00:31:09] on the subreddit. And there was all this back and forth about like how Andy even seemed really biased against Monique in the reunions and how it didn't really make sense.

[00:31:20] So apparently someone reached out to him and Andy was upset because he said that they had more than enough footage for this to be a four-part. Reunion, but for whatever reason, Bravo did not want to do the four-part. So he is claiming that there is all this footage out there. Apparently the conversation in relation to the fight lasted much longer than what we saw.

[00:31:41]But yeah, apparently there was enough for a whole other episode. And then I did see on Twitter, people keep like poking Monique Samuels, just saying, can you please just release the binder electronically on Twitter for us?

[00:31:53]Chris: [00:31:53] No, she needs it. Well, yeah, I guess, I mean, now that she's off the show, you might as well. But I, I was like, I so desperately want to know [00:32:00] what the rest of the receipts are.

[00:32:01] Nancy: [00:32:01] Me too. Me too. Me too. Me too.

[00:32:03] Chris: [00:32:03] But so eventually they, everyone ended up being invited back, including Monique, but unfortunately she declined to come back to the show, which if you watch the reunion.

[00:32:14] You'll understand why? Because they completely did her so fucking dirty in that reunion. I mean Andy was so shady. He, every question he had was like against her and on everybody else's side,

[00:32:26] Nancy: [00:32:26] I make fun of her new single drag Queens. He was like, Oh, well, it isn't great. Like, okay, Andy, I mean, I haven't listened to the song, but

[00:32:33]Chris: [00:32:33] I've never, I mean, all the Housewives do these shitty songs and I've never seen him.

[00:32:38] I've never seen him. Say something like that. Yeah. Two on to one of them, it's like, he might say something that's kind of thinly, they all tongue in cheek. Right. But never just insult them like that and to their face nonetheless. Right, right. But the thing that pissed a lot of black people off on Twitter was when he [00:33:00]  they were talking about.

[00:33:02] I think he asked a question of Oh, what are your husbands? Think of the fact that, you guys are making your own money, you're doing this and you're doing that. And when Nick was saying with my husband is happy that I have, the money to fund my own projects and things that I want to do without having to ask him for money.

[00:33:19] And Mandy was saying, well, he's not really making the kind of money that he was before. And. It was like what Monique had to check him and be like, well, actually, no, my husband has invested very well and he's still making quite a bit of money and it was just like the way he was talking to her was just it felt like an ambush.

[00:33:39] Yeah. And I agree. And the big thing is which came out later that I think Monique  Totally. I told people this on Instagram live or something that they had placed Monique at a completely different hotel from the rest of the Housewives. Oh really? Oh, I thought I told you this. No,

[00:33:57]Nancy: [00:33:57] No. I didn't hear that.

[00:33:58] Yeah.

[00:33:58]Chris: [00:33:58] They, so they were [00:34:00] filming the reunion in a hotel and all the other Housewives were staying in the hotel that they were filming in. But Monique was being, was at a different hotel and she did. Yeah. And they did not tell her I mean, the only thing that I can think of is it's like, well, the Housewives, could express concern because of her violence about her being there and blah, blah, blah.

[00:34:22] But they didn't even tell her she didn't find out  until she got there. And even then it was only because She was on the phone with Karen and was saying like, all right, I'm getting my makeup done. And then I'm going to head on over. And Karen's like, what do you mean? And it was only then that Monique realized that she was being the sheep.

[00:34:42] Probably put her up at a different hotel. That's

[00:34:44] Nancy: [00:34:44] shady. Even for burrowing

[00:34:46] Chris: [00:34:46] actually. No, maybe I, okay. I remember her saying that she had to pay out of pocket for a hotel room at. The place where they were, the rest of them were. So now I'm wondering if I'm recounting the story correctly. I forgot.

[00:34:59] So I [00:35:00] forget exactly at which point she found out that she was put at a different hotel, but either way she found she didn't find out until later. And she had to book her own room out of her own pocket at the hotel that they were supposed to be at. So that if you're wondering why. Like Monique and particularly Chris Samuels came into the reunion.

[00:35:20] It was such an energy toward Andy and toward the show. That's why is they came in after having known that they did this shady, like switcheroo on the hotel thing.  But then there was the whole thing where, Chris was trying to confront Robin and. Jazelle about the fact that there was a rumor that was started by a best former best friend of Monique's that she was having an affair with her trainer and the best friend was going around to different Housewives, basically trying to give them this tea, hoping that one of them would bring, bring it on the show.

[00:36:00] [00:35:59] I don't know if it was her attempt at Cause, sometimes these thirsty pair for peripheral people will come to one of the Housewives with some tea to see if like it'll get them onto the show  which sometimes works like that cookie lady on Atlanta, Marlo co. But so I guess they all had some dinner that Monique was not at and.

[00:36:22] These rumors about the trainer were brought up. And I don't remember. Do you recall if they said, what exactly does L said at that dinner that pissed them off or like it did just I'll say she was going to bring it up or anything, or,

[00:36:38]Nancy: [00:36:38] Oh God, I don't remember specifically what she said. I just remember saying that it was going to get brought up on camera and then the fact that.

[00:36:46]The child wasn't actually Chris Samuels was child.

[00:36:49]Chris: [00:36:49] Right. But I'm just wondering, because I know that Oh, and that was one of the other things that Monique was pissed at Kansas about was Karen was the one who told Monique that [00:37:00] this was being discussed at the dinner. And so at the time, Monique was still friendly with Candice.

[00:37:05] And so she was pissed that Kandace never came to her and said, This is what was being discussed.  But the main issue that they had with GSL is that on GSL brought up the trainer rumors on the show. And the rumor was not only that Monique was cheating with her trainer, but that the child Monique had just recently had was the trainer, was the father, not her husband, Chris, which was really the more egregious part of the accusation.

[00:37:33]Now. Jazelle mentioned that on the show in her confessional. I think it was in the first or second episode.  She did not mention the part about the baby or, well, actually, supposedly she did, but probably edited that part out, but it did air that she said that Monica cheated with her trainer and what was

[00:37:53] Nancy: [00:37:53] in, it was blatant in a confessional.

[00:37:56] Cause she's like a little too close and then big [00:38:00] boy found out. And I still don't understand why JPL calls Chris Samuels, big boy, but it feels gross

[00:38:05] Chris: [00:38:05] every time she does. She's just jealous of Monique life. It completely kills Jazelle that she was with this man, Jamal for all these years, he humiliated her and cheated on her and has all these baby mamas.

[00:38:19] And after it all has really nothing to show for it besides her name and. She's having to work to pay her own bills. You know, with this struggle home that she bought

[00:38:31]Nancy: [00:38:31] that house is so

[00:38:33] Chris: [00:38:33] fucking gross and her makeup line, which is now defunct

[00:38:38] Nancy: [00:38:38] talking about it's just COVID that?

[00:38:41] Shut it down.

[00:38:42] Chris: [00:38:42] Right, girl. Bye.  And. It kills her that Monique has the life that she wants to have  which is being a housewife to a very rich man. And the thing is the thing that really just outlines to me how miserable Jazelle is that Monique has [00:39:00] never been someone to put, to, to put anybody else down for their finances or brag about her wealth in a way that is meant to like.

[00:39:08]Make you feel bad? If anything, she is, I mean, like anybody who has money, like if you have four homes, you want to invite people over and have them use your pool and you want to, throw a big party and this and that, she's happy to like, share what she has with people, but I've never seen Monique like in an arrogant way, brag about her money.

[00:39:29]I agree. So the animosity toward Monique for being, for having a rich husband coming from Jazelle, just to me, reeks of nothing but pure jealousy. If you recall the very first introduction to Monique on the show, because when Karen brought her into the group and they were having tea somewhere and Karen says  Oh, she's looking for home in Potomac and decel being shady goes, Oh, you don't have a home.

[00:39:55] Yeah. And of course, Monique claps back with, I have four [00:40:00] homes and you see just ELLs, like cracked face just, and they're like, Oh, I can't stand. Just, I don't, I can't, I don't understand just that she's so gorgeous and but she's, but yeah, but she's she has this really nasty, hateful, like high school mean girl.

[00:40:19]Aspect of her personality that is so sad to watch. Like it's clearly somebody who's really deeply unhappy and masks it in this like vicious behavior toward people for no reason.  And Robin who is I think a better person than GSL ends up getting caught up in it and access her little, sidekick.

[00:40:44]Nancy: [00:40:44] Which is so confusing to me because Robin always seems so much more  like heartfelt and genuine and sincere. So when I see her get caught up with petty catty bullshit with GSL, I'm like, Girl, come on, buddy. Ain't you like? It's a bad [00:41:00] look.

[00:41:00]Chris: [00:41:00] Yeah. So was that like tire track wig that she was wearing? Oh

[00:41:05] my

[00:41:05] Nancy: [00:41:05] God.

[00:41:05] Yeah. I think she just let her kids take their fucking hot wheels out and just run them all over it. Not that damn

[00:41:10] Chris: [00:41:10] wig, which by the way, can we talk about the entire look of the reunion? Because I don't know what the fuck that was.

[00:41:16] Nancy: [00:41:16] I, first of all, who the fuck chose yellow? Well, like why I hated the only dress that I actually liked was Monique's actually, Ashley's looked like, I don't understand who picked yellow Ashley's looks like there was a dress that she just took some fucking scissors to, to try and make it look sexy.  I hated Wendy's I hated Karen. Like, Wendy's look like a shitty ice skating uniform from 1994, but then just make it a gown. Candice's oversized bow.

[00:41:50] I just, I thought all of them were terrible and I don't know what the fuck Robbins dress look like. You remember those books, socks we used in school to cover our textbooks. It looks like [00:42:00] she just put that as a fucking dress. Like I've hated everyone's outfit. I think Monique's was. The only one that I would say wasn't a total train wreck, not my style, but yeah, horrible.

[00:42:13] I've never seen fashion that bad at a reunion.

[00:42:15] Chris: [00:42:15] Right. Also the set itself, like when they just, it looks like they set it up like a bodega or something like a little Mexican grocery store on the corner. Like it just, I don't under the entire decor was a mess. I think they said they were trying to recreate Where was the place they went, Portugal.

[00:42:35]Portugal. Yeah. Yeah. I think they said, well, that's what they, that's what they were trying to do. Recreate the aesthetic of whatever place they went to in Portugal. But it was a fucking mess. I actually think it's the ugliest reunion set I've ever. Yeah.

[00:42:48]The reunion I really, I wanted there to, I really wanted there to be more accountability for, to, for her part in this whole thing, but. Basically, they were all gaslighting, Monique and saying, no, [00:43:00] that didn't happen. No dissolve. Didn't say that, no, that didn't happen. That didn't happen. And then they would, Bravo would show the tape that backs up what Monique was saying, like the entire reunion, they all just kept calling her a liar, including Andy.

[00:43:14] And then they showed footage. That proved it was exactly what she said. Yeah. So, so that's why I think Monique left because it's like, once you know that the, basically the show is going out of its way to go against you and make you look bad.

[00:43:28] Nancy: [00:43:28] Yeah. What's the point. Yeah.

[00:43:30]Chris: [00:43:30] But  kind of have a feeling that they're going to end up asking her to come back later.

[00:43:34]I'm

[00:43:34] Nancy: [00:43:34] sure they will because their ratings are going to tank next season because. It's just not going to be interesting. I don't like, yeah, I don't plan on watching next season at all.

[00:43:44]Chris: [00:43:44] Well, I'm going to wait and see who the, what new people they bring on because they really need some new cause honestly.

[00:43:51] Like Monique was one of the best Housewives on the show. And I think in part, because she actually was housewife and actually had money. So [00:44:00] she, she had actual like storylines, but some of these other girls it's like, they have to create shit just to have something to talk about on the show. Like Wendy.

[00:44:10]Wendy's whole fucking storyline is well, I'm a professor. That's been on CNN a couple of times, but I want to be a full-time political commentator and leave my job at Johns Hopkins. And what do I do like that literally was her entire

[00:44:26] Nancy: [00:44:26] storyline. Well that in her screaming at other people, how many degrees she has and address me as doctor, she's annoying as shit.

[00:44:32] I'm sorry. There is nothing redeeming about her being on that show. I think she's annoying. I think she's a shitster I think she's two dimensional, fucking boring. I don't care. Great. Oh, another time you're telling us again, that you're Nigerian. Awesome. I forgot because it's been a whole four minutes since you last said it.

[00:44:50] Yeah. I thought she was going to be downgraded to a friend of, because she was not interesting or engaging at all for the season. I just

[00:44:58] Chris: [00:44:58] cannot understand [00:45:00] what they think she brings to the show, because all she does is just talk about being Nigerian. Talk about how many degrees she has talk about that. She's a political commentator, which.

[00:45:12]I mean, I wouldn't even say that's necessarily true. She's been on a couple of political shows, like two or three times as like a freelancer. It's not like, she's like, it's not like she has some sort of contract with CNN or something where she's regularly appearing on the channel.

[00:45:27] Nancy: [00:45:27] Yeah.

[00:45:27] No one is getting out their phone quickly to dial her up for her hot take on anything.

[00:45:31]Chris: [00:45:31] So what the fuck is her storyline going to be? Oh, by the way, did you hear that? Because part of her storyline is the fact that her husband's family doesn't speak to them anymore.

[00:45:41] And because I don't like her. Yeah.

[00:45:44]Nancy: [00:45:44] Which. Oh, wow. Really? They don't. I

[00:45:47] Chris: [00:45:47] can, but here's the thing. Apparently the reason that, that her that Eddie's family disowned them is because, I guess there's some Nigerian folklore that they believe Wendy's family [00:46:00] is cursed. Yes. And so that's why they cut them off.

[00:46:04] When he decided to marry Wendy, is that they believe Nam. They believe Nancy. They believe Wendy.

[00:46:09]Nancy: [00:46:09] Well, I am cursed. So I understand your complaint. I am definitely cursed. So

[00:46:14] Chris: [00:46:14] they believe Wendy has this like generational curse and they don't want to have anything to do with her.

[00:46:18]Nancy: [00:46:18] I mean, that's wild. I hope that gets covered next season.

[00:46:23]They

[00:46:23] Chris: [00:46:23] both cover it because when they won't, Oh,

[00:46:26] Nancy: [00:46:26] well, I won't be watching anyway. So you call me up if there's anything happening I should know about.

[00:46:31]Chris: [00:46:31] Yeah. So I guess we'll see what they do in the next season. Maybe they'll bring people on that are interesting. Cause they really need to shake some shit up and I hope they bring somebody on that really. Fucking brings us all down to science. Cause I'm so sick over his shit. Yeah. And really just having her own personal security at the reunion, come on.

[00:46:49] Yeah. Get fucked. So

[00:46:51]moving on to Atlanta, so. Atlanta is back and they actually have [00:47:00] two new, well, I know drew is a housewife, but I think the other girl, there's two other girls that are, I guess, like friend of people, like the there's, the girl who whose house they just went to or where are you caught up?

[00:47:17]Nancy: [00:47:17] Yes. Did you see

[00:47:20] Chris: [00:47:20] like pool party that they had all the girls at the one woman's house?

[00:47:24]Nancy: [00:47:24] Cause the last episode was the party for Porsche, right? Yes. Yes. Yep. I'm caught up. Sorry. Do you remember what day of the

[00:47:30] Chris: [00:47:30] week it was? So there's two, there's three new women on the show. One is a woman named drew who is a working actress. I've never heard of her, but apparently she has been in a bunch of Tyler Perry, movies and stuff.

[00:47:43]And I think she was on a show. She was on a show called the game. That is not anymore, but it was very popular. And. Then there's two others who, I don't think they're full-time Housewives because we haven't seen any like individual scenes with them, like in their house or whatever. We only see [00:48:00] them in groups seen thus far.

[00:48:02] So there's the drew woman and then there's these other two new women. One of them is a single woman who is like young and kind of like a party girl. And she's become good friends with Kenya, which honestly. I mean, they're, they've been calling her like a mini Kenya because she just says shady stuff.

[00:48:23] Yeah. But I don't think she's as interesting as Kenya either. Like she says tough. That's just kind of like rude or just kind of like blunt that Judas will just blurt stuff out, but she doesn't say it in a way that's like witty or it's just. It's like, she just says shit, it just comes across as just being thirsty to get attention.

[00:48:46] But I think Kenya is becoming, trying to befriend her so that she could have more allies on the show because now she's fallen out with Porsche and, we already know that Marlin is lacquer.  [00:49:00] And I feel like her friendship with Cynthia is kind of Rocky in the past year or two. Cause the last season was kind of a mess with her, like making fun of Cindy and not knowing anything about Y which was really amazing to watch.

[00:49:17] It was like painful shoot. It's like, shoot, it's one thing to poke fun at her about it, but then she just kept it going and going.  But then also there was the thing with Kenya almost ruining, Cynthia's surprise engagement. Yeah, that

[00:49:33] Nancy: [00:49:33] was,

[00:49:33]Chris: [00:49:33] yeah. So I feel like Kenya's trying to just kind of.

[00:49:38]Create allies with the newer people on the show.  And then there's this other girl who they just, Oh, Toya is her name, toy. Is that the young party girl? And then there's another housewife they just introduced in the last episode.

[00:49:52] Who's married and I don't know what her husband does. They. Didn't spend much time,  introducing them [00:50:00] as a couple, they just kind of fell right into it. But they have money and they have a very big house with a pool and hot tub that everybody came and had a party at in the last episode.  So they're bringing in new blood, trying to kind of shake things out, which is good because they got Nini is gone.

[00:50:16] And thank

[00:50:17] Nancy: [00:50:17] God. Yeah. Thank God for that. I was so ready for her to leave.

[00:50:22]Chris: [00:50:22] Yeah. And I hope they don't bring her back cause they keep like she leaves and then they like bring her back couple seasons later. It's like, she it's just it's time for her to move on because she's not fun to watch.

[00:50:34] Yeah. But. Yeah. I mean, th the show clearly needed some fresh blood and this drew woman, I guess she's, I don't like her husband, quite frankly. I think he's a narcissist.

[00:50:47] And I don't see them staying together because I just, from what I've seen, he never can admit he's wrong about anything. He never can like apologize. He never, like, he's not, he's completely insensitive [00:51:00] to her feelings about everything. And she seems like she's the only one that's really trying to work on.

[00:51:06] Their problems

[00:51:07] Nancy: [00:51:07] could be accountable for her shortfalls at the same

[00:51:10] Chris: [00:51:10] time. Right. Like he basically just thinks, well, there's nothing wrong, except you need to just stop. You need to just leave me alone and stop emasculating me like, huh. But the big storyline for Atlanta this season is. This supposed party that took place, which was it?

[00:51:30] Was it, is it someone's bachelorette party or

[00:51:33] Nancy: [00:51:33] it's

[00:51:33] Chris: [00:51:33] Cynthia's bachelorette. Okay. Yeah. So Cynthia is getting married to this guy, Mike, who I think is like a political, I mean, not a political, a sports commentator. And so I guess they do a girl's trip or something this season where they have a bachelor party for Cynthia, where there's male strippers there.

[00:51:52] And supposedly a couple of the Housewives  some who may or may not be married, had a three-way [00:52:00] with one of the strippers.

[00:52:01]He love

[00:52:02] Nancy: [00:52:02] to see it.

[00:52:02]Chris: [00:52:02] And we, it's not been revealed who those people are. I think Kenya is the one that exposed them, which of course it is.

[00:52:12]Nancy: [00:52:12] Yeah. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[00:52:14]Chris: [00:52:14] But it just from the trailers, it looks really dramatic.

[00:52:18] Nancy: [00:52:18] I cannot wait.

[00:52:19]Chris: [00:52:19] And they've all done. I did, I think.  When they've been asked, if they were, if that's what they did I've read who the two people are rumored to be, but I'm not going to say just in case it's turned out to be a spoiler, but that seems like that's going to be the real mass of the season.

[00:52:37] And I don't know what episode that happens in.

[00:52:38] Nancy: [00:52:38] Can it please just be the next one. I'm ready to see what the fuck is going on. Yeah.

[00:52:44]Chris: [00:52:44] This is why I hate watching the house five shows a week to week because I just want to binge the whole thing and cause they stretch everything out and then these fucking reunions you, I was shocked.

[00:52:54] That the thing with Monique and the binders happened in the first part, because they usually hold [00:53:00] any of the really juicy stuff until the later parts of their union. And the first part is usually just, that's

[00:53:05] Nancy: [00:53:05] why I totally believe Andy, when he says they had more than enough footage for another, a complete other episode.

[00:53:11] Cause I'm like, there must've been more damning things in that binder that got trotted out. She did not go through all that effort for that to be the only thing to be used. Yeah.

[00:53:21]Chris: [00:53:21] So yeah, so we'll see how that all turns out, but that's that's the Housewives for now? We'll come back. I haven't started real Housewives of salt Lake city.

[00:53:30] I know you have Nancy.  But apparently one of the real Housewives of salt Lake city, which is a new franchise that they've started this year, or, well, 2020 technically was involved in the riots at the white house at the Capitol.

[00:53:45]Nancy: [00:53:45] Yep. She appears briefly as kind of like a friend of in the first couple episodes.

[00:53:51]But yeah, I there's multiple pictures of her. In front of the Washington monument, all dressed up and then closer and closer to the [00:54:00] Capitol and at the rally. So yeah, there's, there are photos circulating right now that she was involved in the riots.

[00:54:06]Chris: [00:54:06] Lovely. So I need to start that soon and then we'll come back and talk about it.

[00:54:13]But moving on into our, on the couch segment for this week. So we have a, an email from a listener. Her name is Beth, and she says,

[00:54:25]Dear Nancy. I recently mentioned to a friend that my children were in the neighborhood playing and they couldn't believe that I would let my kids play outside unsupervised. I looked it up and saw that there was a controversy surrounding this topic and that a couple had CPS called on them because their kids walked a few blocks to the playground.

[00:54:44] What age do you think children should be able to roam free without direct supervision? Yeah. So

[00:54:50] Nancy: [00:54:50] this is the first time anyone's ever asked me what I should be done in relation to children.

[00:54:56]Chris: [00:54:56] Let's start off with a disclaimer that neither one of us has children.

[00:54:59][00:55:00] Nancy: [00:54:59] Oh yeah. No. And never will. I'm sure there's laws on the books actively that I can't procreate.

[00:55:05] So,

[00:55:06]Chris: [00:55:06] But. I will say I saw the article that she's talking about, I forget where the people were that are the subject of it. But essentially they, th their neighborhood has like a playground that, or a park or something that is only a couple of blocks away from their house. And. Dave, let their kids go and play in the park.

[00:55:30] And I don't know if somebody saw them there and called the police, or if it was like a neighbor of theirs that, is just being Mrs. Kravitz or whatever. But  to me, this is like, I'm just completely confused and confounded by the controversy, to be honest, because.  And maybe times have changed.

[00:55:50] I don't know. All I can go off of is based off of my experience when I was growing up, I walked to school and my, my first [00:56:00] elementary school, when I was in kindergarten, first grade, second grade was like a couple of blocks away from my babysitter's house. So my parents would take me to the babysitters in the morning, a couple of us, cause we all went to the same school.

[00:56:11] We would. There were kids who were my age, one who was a bit older, we'd all walk together and we'd go to school in the morning. And there's a whole route. They have set up where they have crossing guards along the way, kind of ushering the kids to school. And then we'd walk home at the end of the day.

[00:56:25] And then when I got older and moved to a different city that was bigger, but still I'm more of a suburb. So it was a longer, much longer walk. I did the same thing. I, my brother and I would walk home to school at the end of every day. And we all like all the kids that they would set you up on different like walking routes.

[00:56:47] So you'd have a cluster of kids that would walk together because they were all going in the same direction and we'd all walk as a group and one person would. Drop off and go into their house. And the rest of us keep walking and then one person [00:57:00] drops off and then ultimately there's one person left cutting to their house.

[00:57:03] And so I don't quite understand the Pearl clutching, I guess, about children just being like in their neighborhood generally without their parents.

[00:57:18]Nancy: [00:57:18] The thing that sticks out to me is like, When I was a kid. Yeah. We could run off. I play with kids down the street. We'd go ride our bikes all through the neighborhood.

[00:57:29] And I guess my thing is nowadays aren't all these kids don't they all have cell phones anyway, and their parents could track where they were at. I don't feel like, so it's just weird to me. I feel like these kids would have phones. And with location services enabled. So parents could keep an eye on them, quote unquote, while they're a couple blocks away at the playground.

[00:57:52]Chris: [00:57:52] Well, that's the thing is I feel like people have become much more like [00:58:00] helicoptery with regard to parenting which is to me Nonsensical given technology allows us now to be a lot too, to keep tabs on your children a lot easier than you could. When we were kids, I mean, it, I would go out. I mean, it's not like I would go very far, but like I lived in a townhome development where we would go, out in the front of our house and play, we would go in the back.

[00:58:27] We would go There's like a wooded area behind our house where we would walk through as kids. And there's like a Creek that we would walk to just, I mean, there's nothing to do when you get to the Creek, but it's just, you're there and it's the bar up the Creek, it's just, I mean, these were the days before Netflix and.

[00:58:44] Phones and everything else where kids had things that they could do that would occupy them at all times. So you had to just find shit to do  I've

[00:58:51] Nancy: [00:58:51] spent many a day in the woods breaking sticks and shit. Cause

[00:58:55] Chris: [00:58:55] yeah, that, that's what I mean, that's what we would do. We would just kind of go outside [00:59:00] and you would stay outside basically until it got dark and then you'd go home.

[00:59:04]And none of us ever have our parents around like. Ever. I mean, maybe if we were playing right in front of our houses and we were like, we were playing a game of like kickball or something who knows. There would be some somebody's parent who was like looking out the front window as they do dishes or like sitting on their stoop, just kind of, casually watching.

[00:59:24] But  we knew not to go. Too far, we knew not to go with strangers. We knew to stay in a particular area. And then we'd come home and it was that simple. So I don't, I just the entire topic to me is completely foreign. Well maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that's how parents think these days is that you shouldn't ever leave your kids alone.

[00:59:48] I don't know.

[00:59:49]Nancy: [00:59:49] So after I read that was our on the couch portion. I remembered reading an article a while back and I was like, let me just find it [01:00:00] so I can bring it up. So in 2015 in Houston, this woman was at the food court in a mall and was there for a job interview and was 30 feet away from her kids where they were in direct.

[01:00:14] Like she never, they never left her eyeline. Right. 30 feet away. She finished her interview. She couldn't get, childcare arranged beforehand. So she was like, well, I gotta bring them. And then when she finished her interview and walked back over, she was arrested for leaving the kids alone.

[01:00:34] I just don't but, and they literally removed the kids from her. And they went to protective services.

[01:00:40]Chris: [01:00:40] All right. So I guess, I guess the only thing that I can, and I don't know the details of that story, but perhaps people just saw two kids sitting at a table and didn't realize it, their mother was, a couple of feet away and just called, security or whatever.

[01:00:56] But

[01:00:56] Nancy: [01:00:56] yeah, the kids were six and two,

[01:00:58]Chris: [01:00:58] but I would think the first [01:01:00] step would be somebody. You maybe call like mall security or even the actual police and they show up and they come over to the kids and say, Hey kids, where is your mom? Are you here alone? And they say, Oh no, she's right there. And then that's the end of it.

[01:01:13] I don't get how get, how it gets all the way to child protective services. I mean, I've gone to the Mo granted, I mean, six and two is young to be left alone. Yeah. Yeah. But I would have all that. I plan. I went in with my mother, plenty of places where she would be in the dressing room and I'm sitting out waiting for her to come out, at the store or, she goes into the bathroom and we're out waiting for her in the food court or, whatever.

[01:01:39] I mean, so  get that people are. Just anxious about what could happen to kids when they're out and about. But it's I think there's a, I think there's an overkill of you need to be, tied to your parents' hip at all times and all. Cause how old were the kids from the original article about the.

[01:01:59][01:02:00] I guess she doesn't mention in the letter she sent, but let me Google it. Cause I remember reading it.  I mean,

[01:02:06] Nancy: [01:02:06] I feel like anywhere from 10 to 12, you're good to just kind of roam unfettered, at least that's how, I mean, obviously it's not like when I was that age that I would just run out of the house and be like, deuces dad, talk to you later.

[01:02:20] Like I would always communicate where I was going. Oh, it was

[01:02:23] Chris: [01:02:23] in Maryland. What part?  Silver spring? No, God. So the children were six and 10. I'm sorry if you're 10 years old, you're old enough to be able to go to the fucking playground.

[01:02:36] Nancy: [01:02:36] Yeah. Agree.

[01:02:37] Chris: [01:02:37] I agree.  Come on. I can know it's one thing, if it's, I can see if it's like a fucking toddler.

[01:02:43]And you're seeing them, while they're acids down to the playground by themselves. And you're like, what the hell is going on? But like a ten-year-old, I mean, people need to stop get a fucking grip. Well, and I

[01:02:54] Nancy: [01:02:54] think it's important too, if you work out like. They have a phone and location services are on, or even if they [01:03:00] don't have a phone, here's a list of the places, the two or three places you're allowed to go by yourself or with your brother or sister or whatever, you can go to the playground.

[01:03:09] You can go to the end of the street and, wherever and little Timmy's house, like those are the three places you can go. And I don't have to be there with you. I D I don't know, I'm not, should we put a disclaimer for future on the couch segments that just says I am not qualified to make comments on child rearing.

[01:03:27]Chris: [01:03:27] I mean,

[01:03:27]Nancy: [01:03:27] I mean, I have nephews and stuff and I feel like. They go outside and play in the street and with neighborhood kids. And there's not necessarily a parent watching them and they're, 10,

[01:03:41]Chris: [01:03:41] but here's the question. How old do you think is appropriate to have a child be alone, whether it be in the house alone.

[01:03:49] So let's say you're like, Oh, me and your dad want to go out for a nice dinner date and leave you here for the night. And, we put a pizza in the oven and, we'll see you later. [01:04:00] Or even just  walk down to the corner store and get, a loaf of bread. Here's a couple.

[01:04:04] Quarters, certainly, like how old do you feel it's appropriate for a kid to just be left like that?

[01:04:10]Nancy: [01:04:10] For a kid staying in the house alone while my husband and I go out and get smashed. I want to say, I feel like 13 is appropriate. Just because I know, I don't know. I feel like it's easier to have.

[01:04:24]No, I don't have a good answer. I feel like 13, 13 for staying in the house by yourself, playing in the street during the middle of the day with some of the neighborhood kids, I feel like 10 is the, starting age eight, nine, or no nine or 10. You're good to go play outside. But as far as like leaving a kid alone in the house, I'm like, you're too crazy.

[01:04:44] And a lot of this shit's expensive. So  but yeah, that, that's what I think for staying in the house and especially like staying overnight alone.  Think it would be older than that, but I also don't children, which is why I don't have them.

[01:04:57] Chris: [01:04:57] See maybe by parents, just for too. [01:05:00] Trusting where they thought, or, or we were very mature kids because my parents started leaving us alone at like eight or nine.

[01:05:08] Nancy: [01:05:08] Well, you have to keep in mind too, that I have older siblings by a pretty big margin. So by the time I was, cause I was the last one to come out the gate. So the rules were definitely much

[01:05:21] Chris: [01:05:21] calling it a gate.

[01:05:22] Nancy: [01:05:22] Yeah. That's when I slid out of my mother  just snail trailing regret all over the place.

[01:05:28]When, by the time that I was, Coming of age, I'll say the rules were very different than how it was with my sister and my brother. I'm pretty sure with my sister that she wasn't allowed to stay home alone until she was like 14. Like it was up there. And then by the time my brother came along, the rules were different.

[01:05:49]But that was only shortly after my sister cause their age gap isn't that big, but I have such a big age gap with the two of them that by the time I was coming around, My dad was like, I don't give a shit, [01:06:00] whatever you want to do here. Here's a check to that. I signed to Domino's so you can get pizza tonight.

[01:06:06]So I wasn't alone a lot. I had too much older siblings. And then when, later on in life. Yeah, my, I don't know. So I'm in a weird position. I didn't have the same kind of opportunity.

[01:06:17]Chris: [01:06:17] Yeah. But I wonder if you recall back in the olden days there was an actual like operator you could call on the phone.

[01:06:26]Nancy: [01:06:26] I remember having to learn the zip codes or not the zip codes, the area codes when they rolled those out, that the area code was required to make calls.

[01:06:34] Chris: [01:06:34] Yeah. But I remember like my mother was going somewhere. I forget where  For the night. I think she actually, I think it was, I think she was going to the skating rink or something because that's what my mother did growing up is like every Sunday she and her friends would go skating.

[01:06:48]And that's cute. I think she called the operator and said what's the law for when you can leave a child home alone. And she told her eight. So that was, I mean, [01:07:00] I'm sure those laws vary depending on what state you're in. But It's an interesting topic because I don't, I maybe it's like a millennial, like versus gen Z thing or something.

[01:07:12] I don't know. But I,

[01:07:13]Nancy: [01:07:13] it's just totally different now, too. Like you and your significant other could be out at dinner and you can pick up your phone and check the cameras that are in the house to see what they're doing. Right. Like it's so I feel like. You don't have to physically be in front of them to be able to monitor them just because of how inundated our lives are with technology now.

[01:07:35]Right. Like I can see exactly who's in my living room right now. I can see whose cars are in front of my house. I can see, what internet devices are being used in the house. I can see, so I feel like we have all this data now and different ways to kind of monitor the kids. So I think it's kind of.

[01:07:52]Sort of a thing of the past that you have to physically be around them constantly to keep an eye on them.

[01:07:58]Chris: [01:07:58] Right. But yet [01:08:00] the tide is turning in the opposite direction with people feeling less secure about letting their control.

[01:08:06]Nancy: [01:08:06] Well, there have been a lot of really good, true crime documentaries that have come out so I can

[01:08:10] Chris: [01:08:10] understand well, I mean, here's the reality of the situation.

[01:08:14]There are certain things that happened, in the eighties and the nineties and whatever that spooked people, about children getting snatched. But the reality is that the overwhelming majority of the time, when a child goes missing, it's someone, the child knows. Yeah. So this idea. That, there's a stranger waiting in the bushes.

[01:08:35] That's going to snatch your kid up. If you let them out of your sight is a myth.

[01:08:39] Nancy: [01:08:39] Yeah. Just keep a closer eye on Russ at softball practice.

[01:08:42] Chris: [01:08:42] Cause it's right.  Like those lion girls or whatever.

[01:08:46]Nancy: [01:08:46] Yes. So, so just to just, cause I don't know if you remember their ages. So Catherine and Sheila Elian were age 10 and age 12.

[01:08:57]And they walked to a nearby shopping [01:09:00] mall in Wheaton, Maryland, which is a suburb of DC. But yeah, they disappeared without a trace in 1975. And this was like one of the most famous unsolved cases for the state of Maryland. But they were literally, it's not that far. I think they have a map that they showed where it was like a mile away, if that But yeah, they were snatched up and then they were essentially never found.

[01:09:26]But yeah, just walking out by nearby home, but there is a book called the last stone that is really good. And there was a recent documentary done on the ID channel called who killed the Lyon sisters. And there's a lot of theories about who actually did it and who's responsible, but one of the big things was they were talking about.

[01:09:45] These kids and their ages of how they would be able to be convinced to just go off with someone. And then there was the whole theory about a boy near their age that kind of entice them to come hang out with him. And then there's a bunch of theories, but [01:10:00] yeah, they were just walking nearby to the shopping mall, even though it was 1975.

[01:10:05] So the rules were very different back then, I think. But. Yeah, I, how old

[01:10:10] Chris: [01:10:10] were they? I forgot 10 and 12. Yeah. I mean, come on. I mean, I think a 12 year old, you're a teenager essentially. And  my friends, when we were 12, 13, we would go to the mall all the time. Our parents would drop us off for a couple hours.

[01:10:23] They'd come back and pick us up, it's like you, I think, but do you remember in the case at the lions sisters Without for people who may want to watch the documentary without giving away the ultimate conclusion. Do you remember how they were Lord into whomever's like car or whatever?

[01:10:45]Nancy: [01:10:45] Well, so if they watch the documentary, there's three different things that get presented to them. Because it's a first, this person was getting blamed. So this is what they said happened, then it was no, actually our focus is on [01:11:00] this person.  But yeah, I don't, I feel like that'll be a big spoiler if I say how there

[01:11:06] Chris: [01:11:06] got it.

[01:11:06] Yeah, that's right. Because I remember, yeah they. Do you basically spend most of the documentary thinking that it's a certain person and then it turns out that it was, yeah, there's

[01:11:16] Nancy: [01:11:16] a lot of false leads. Yeah. In this case,

[01:11:20] Chris: [01:11:20] speaking of, did you ever end up watching the fucking

[01:11:22]Nancy: [01:11:22] undoing

[01:11:23]Chris: [01:11:23] now with Nicole Kidman and he would ground HBO?

[01:11:26]Nancy: [01:11:26] No, it was sitting in my queue though.  Don't just, don't do it. Okay.

[01:11:31] Chris: [01:11:31] It's literally. I, it was enjoyable for the first seven episodes or however many it was despite Nicole Kidman's horrible acting.  But because you're sitting there thinking like, okay, who is it? Is it maybe it's this person, maybe it's the grandfather, maybe it's this, maybe it's that.

[01:11:50] And you're like trying to piece together, all these different clues and whatever. And then the person that turned out to be was so fucking disappointing that it was like, This [01:12:00] literally could have just been an episode of loner SVU like that. It just, it was so they spent seven episodes building up to it and it was so fucking anticlimactic.

[01:12:09] I wish I hadn't watched it. Did you see the,

[01:12:12]Nancy: [01:12:12] Oh God, the new Netflix thing called the ripper about the killer in the, were you disappointed in that? Because I super wise, I feel like there was a lot of hype and I was very interested and then I was like, Oh, Okay. I feel like we could wrap that up in two episodes

[01:12:27]Chris: [01:12:27] that I will agree with.

[01:12:29] I do you think it didn't need to be that many episodes, but I did. I did find it interesting. Because it, the, I was fascinated by the fact that you, by the end, you basically realized that they completely bungled the entire investigation because they refused to. Move off the idea that the victims were prostitutes.

[01:12:50] Nancy: [01:12:50] Yeah. Yeah. They really, if

[01:12:52] Chris: [01:12:52] they had not, if they had just given up their prostitute theory, they would have solved the crime. Yeah. Like [01:13:00] before all these other women were killed, I could not believe that they had that woman who walked into the police station. It was like, Oh yeah, I was attacked with a hammer.

[01:13:09] And I think it's this guy and they were like, girl, bye. Yeah. And

[01:13:14] Nancy: [01:13:14] it turned out to be him. Yeah. That made my stomach turn

[01:13:17]to do in our best and worst of 20, 20, we need to do best like true crime binges or best. Cause I really want us to talk about Myrtle murder on middle beach, like yeah.

[01:13:30]Chris: [01:13:30] Yeah. Okay. Well I don't know how much wine you have left. I actually have quite a bit,

[01:13:35]As I drink slow. But now it's like warm, so I've got to put it back in the refrigerator. But I hope you guys enjoy your wine with us. I hope you enjoyed this episode. The. We don't know when we're going to be putting out another episode, but probably in another couple of weeks.  But thank you guys for listening and I hope you enjoy it as [01:14:00] usual.

[01:14:00] Please feel free to send us any feedback. Just no Dick pics speak for yourself, Chris,

[01:14:05]Nancy: [01:14:05] show me what you got. And Annette,

[01:14:09] Chris: [01:14:09] you're going to get some like 75 year old guy who looks like fucking Skinner from X-Files and then you as Dick pics Skinner

[01:14:18] Nancy: [01:14:18] book distinguish in the earlier seasons.

[01:14:24] Chris: [01:14:24] Um, but thank you guys. Um, We will be back and, uh, talk soon.

[01:14:32] Nancy: [01:14:32] Happy new year.

[01:14:35] Chris: [01:14:35] There's nothing happy about it. New year. Bye bye.

Episode 5: Election Fraud and Capitol Mayhem

[00:00:00] Chris: [00:00:00] All right. Y'all welcome back. Welcome back to wine therapy. It is your co-host Chris Evans and the lovely Nancy with us again today. Hello. I'm so, so sorry. You guys had, it's been so long since our last episode. It. It's not entirely my fault.

[00:01:00] [00:01:00] Nancy: [00:01:00] It's mainly Nancy's.

[00:01:05] Chris: [00:01:05] We have been trying to find a time to record another episode for like three months now. And it just didn't work out on social occasions. And we're not. Full-time podcasters. We do actually have day jobs unlike some of these other people, but

[00:01:23] Nancy: [00:01:23] if there are sponsors out there that would like to make us full-time, KIPPsters, I'm very open to

[00:01:28] Chris: [00:01:28] that.

[00:01:31], we do this for fun and so we've just life got in the way. But we promise we're going to be releasing episodes more regularly going forward. And we're trying to set up a schedule to do that. So hopefully probably about biweekly we'll do them. And try to stay on top of that.

[00:01:50]And in the meantime, please feel free to tweet at us at wine therapy, pod CA wait, is it at wine therapy, pod or wine report? [00:02:00] Yeah, I think it's on Twitter. It's on Twitter. It's white because our website is wine therapy, podcast.com. But no, I think wine therapy podcast is too long  for.

[00:02:11]  What Twitter allows for a handle. So

[00:02:13] Nancy: [00:02:13] again, not full time podcast.

[00:02:18]Chris: [00:02:18] . So tweet us at Windermere pea pod. If you have anything you wanted to talk about especially in our, on the couch segment, if you're looking for advice on something or you just have some. Interesting funny or messy story you want us to talk about? So there is so much talk about since there, because there've been so many things that have happened since we were last here namely the election happened and that was a mess.

[00:02:46]Nancy: [00:02:46] Well, it's satisfying to see Biden claim the winter, like 47 different times. That was kind

[00:02:51] Chris: [00:02:51] of fun. Right. Well, it's, it's strange because it was only how many weeks ago, eight weeks ago [00:03:00] or something, but it feels like it was forever. Everything that's happened in the, during the Trump presidency feels like it, it may, it's made this four years feel like it's been like 30.

[00:03:11] So somebody just mentioned like the Sarah Huckabee. Fake pie scandal the other day, like when she posted a fucking stock image pie on her Twitter saying that she baked it and people exposed her. And I was like, Oh my, I can not believe that was only like two years ago or whenever that was, because it just, everything just feels like it was so long ago.

[00:03:33] Nancy: [00:03:33] All of us being stuck at home. It's, we're all living Groundhog day, essentially.

[00:03:37] Chris: [00:03:37] Right. That too. , I think the last. The episode we did. I think we were expecting to be on the tail end of this year. COVID saga. Yeah, here we are almost a year later from our first lockdown and it's raging worse than ever.

[00:03:56]But so the election, so [00:04:00] I don't know where you were Nancy on election night. I was sitting in my bedroom.

[00:04:04] Nancy: [00:04:04] Yeah. I was getting blackout drunk on my living room floor with, some pizza boxes around me, lots of empty bottles and cans. Yeah. And then I got to a certain point of the night where I was like, let's start ripping shots.

[00:04:21] I stayed in, but it was a. Cause I had to, I had adulting that I had to do, like I sent in my absentee ballot super early because I didn't, I would have happily risked the Rona to vote against Trump, but I was like, let me do the responsible thing and, just all vote by mail and that'll be totally fine.

[00:04:40] But I had to I had a doctor's appointment or something on like actual election day and driving past and seeing the lines of people, some with mass, some without random cops around, I was like, Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm glad I skipped this, but I sent my thing in.

[00:04:57] Chris: [00:04:57] Yeah.  Just remember the feeling in [00:05:00] 2016 when I was, I think I was following along on Reddit actually.

[00:05:04] And when I started seeing people say that basically there was no path and that, she would have to like, When this state and that state, and maybe she wins half of Maine, and this happens in like just fucking, a beautiful mind style equations to, to figure out how Hillary could possibly

[00:05:25] Nancy: [00:05:25] win.

[00:05:26] Second. I saw her struggling with Virginia. I was like, pack it up, boys. It's over now. I'm just going to drink until I pass out. Cause I can't handle it.

[00:05:34] Chris: [00:05:34] Well, I was, I think at that time I needed to live in that delusion for a second, that there was still a possibility. So I was just like, You know what, at that point it was probably already around midnight or something like that.

[00:05:45] So I was like, I'm just going to go to sleep and hopefully wake up in the morning, check my phone and something miraculous would have happened because I like felt sick to my stomach. I can't even recall another time when I felt [00:06:00] like that in my life. It felt like if you've ever had a, if you've ever been in a dream.

[00:06:04] Where you  fell off a building or something, or, you know what I mean? Like something, something happened that was so dreadful and so hopeless. And so like sudden that you're like, I'm fucked and I'm going to die, but you're, you have to spend the next 30 seconds or however long it is like in that agony and you're going to die.

[00:06:22] Like that is that anxiety is like what it felt like. And so I was like, I don't know what else to do besides forced myself to go to sleep. I think at the time I was. On painkillers from kidney stones or something. So I had like I I had Percocet sitting around somewhere that I was like, I need to take this to just

[00:06:40] Nancy: [00:06:40] not in the pain of the election.

[00:06:42] Chris: [00:06:42] Yeah. Yeah. But so that was, I just had PTSD from that. And I was like, even though I was, sure. The Biden was going to win. It's well, that's what I thought last time too.   Those first, that first like hour or two was really scary because that was before they [00:07:00] have started cast counting the mail-in ballot.

[00:07:03] And it was all just the in-person ones, which, most of the Trump people voted in person because Trump was stupid and told his people not to trust the mail. And well,

[00:07:11] Nancy: [00:07:11] and also they think the virus is fake and don't give a shit about not going out, so

[00:07:16] Chris: [00:07:16] right. But so. Yeah, those first early returns were like scary.

[00:07:22] And I started, I was like, Oh my God, I'm starting to get flashbacks. I'm starting to get flashbacks for 2016. And people were like, don't freak out. Don't freak out. They're not counting the mail in ballots yet. And they haven't reported the big counting as with all the, the people in it.

[00:07:39] And I think it was once that big dump came from like Detroit. That's what I was like, Oh shit. We're good. Cause it was, it seemed to all happen one right after the other, like a big dump from Detroit, a big dump from Atlanta, a big dump from Milwaukee, a big dump from what's the Pennsylvania city of Philadelphia.

[00:07:58] Yeah. Yeah. [00:08:00] And so, yeah, so that was that, , it was stressful for awhile.

[00:08:06] Nancy: [00:08:06] Yeah. Oh no. And then all of the. Well, now there's this lawsuits we're going to recount and Nope, this is I feel like. I don't know if you've ever watched SpongeBob, but there's one episode where Mr. Crabs they're like doing the same thing over and over.

[00:08:21] I don't remember what it is, but he's just like give it up for day 23. And he looks like a cracked out insane person. That's just how I felt every single day where I woke up and I was like, okay, so they're still not officially calling it. So let me just sit here and keep refreshing Safari 45 times, because maybe this will be the moment when it comes through, but I remember.

[00:08:41] When it actually was called by. I don't remember who called it first, but I think it was CNN. That is where I saw it. I immediately was like, Oh honey, they did this on a Saturday so we could get proper fucked up. I'm going out to buy champagne. I'm going to start popping balloons. Let me go [00:09:00] buy a new copy of the Washington post.

[00:09:03] Chris: [00:09:03] Yeah, I was here in New York and you, it was so surreal cause the literally the moment. It was announced like on whatever news station or it was, you could hear people like cheering in the streets. I'm like, where the fuck did people get all these damn air horns are people just hoarding air horns in their house for moments like this?

[00:09:27] What the fuck?

[00:09:28] Nancy: [00:09:28] Cow bells and shit. I don't

[00:09:31] Chris: [00:09:31] like who has this shit just lying around?

[00:09:33]Nancy: [00:09:33] I might have a party favor from new year's Eve, like seven years ago, but that I don't have any of that shit. It just be me with two pots and pans, just like, meaning we're so happy.

[00:09:43] Chris: [00:09:43] ,  and that, , that whole saga.

[00:09:46] Was going on and, thank God for black voters because the, and thank God for Stacy Abrams and like all the organizers on the ground in Georgia and [00:10:00] Michigan and everywhere because,  it's what really scares me is. I always felt there was a strong chance he would win again. And the only thing that made me think he probably wouldn't win was because COVID happened.

[00:10:15] And because his response to it was so terrible. And because so many Republicans, they don't change their votes unless something directly affects them. It's like George Bush, like the only reason why he. Why? I feel like a lot of people voted for Obama that were, that previously voted for publican was because George Bush completely destroyed the economy.

[00:10:41] And it was like, people were so desperate. It was like, we'll just take a change. Anything just, yeah.  Even if it's some black dude from Kenya that we think is a Muslim, just fuck it. Anyone.

[00:10:52] Nancy: [00:10:52] Remember when we thought that was the worst president we had ever had.

[00:10:56] Chris: [00:10:56] Oh, I think about that. Well, here's the thing.

[00:11:00] [00:11:00] He really was terrible president.

[00:11:03] Nancy: [00:11:03] Yeah. But now he looks amazing. Like in hindsight now I'm like, Oh, even though he was a total moron, like, but look, he actually went to school. Cool.

[00:11:16] Chris: [00:11:16] Well, I will say this at the very least. He may have been corrupt. He may have been racist. He may have been an idiot.

[00:11:23] He may have been, trying to get us into a ward to make up for some shit. His father had his unfinished business who knows what it was, whatever, but I never doubted that he actually gave a shit about the United States country.

[00:11:37] Nancy: [00:11:37] Correct? Yes. I agree with that.

[00:11:39] Chris: [00:11:39] Donald Trump, he literally does not matter.

[00:11:42] Give one shit about anybody in this country besides himself. Yes, period.

[00:11:48] Nancy: [00:11:48] And as well, his daughter,

[00:11:51] Chris: [00:11:51] well, that's a whole nother episode. That's for the ID channel. Oh God. Yeah. [00:12:00] That's a fucking episode of SVU. Yeah. Forensic fights, but , so I felt like. Because of COVID.

[00:12:09]That has reached every corner of the country, rural America, suburbs, cities, white America, everywhere has been affected by it. And white seniors in particular  are usually a big Republican voting block and they were being eviscerated by COVID. And so I was like, This may give us the, as horrible as this pandemic is, and of course I would rather that we not had it in that nobody died, but I feel like it's the one thing that really pushed people over the edge to either vote for Trump.

[00:12:44]Excuse me, vote for Biden or simply not, or, not be enthused enough by Trump to come out to vote. So but what's really scary is that despite all of that, despite how badly he's bungled. This pandemic. And not only that, [00:13:00] but the fact that we actually have on tape calls from Bob wood Bob Woodward with Trump, where he admits to knowing about it in January, knowing how contagious it was, knowing how deadly it was, knowing that it was airborne.

[00:13:17] He admits to knowing all of that. And yet after those recorded calls, went on television and told people that it was going to be fine. There was going to go away that it was just like the flu. We don't need to wear masks. How, after all of that, there are still 70 plus million people who voted for him.

[00:13:34] That is the part that just astounds me.

[00:13:37] Nancy: [00:13:37] Well, and I love the hypocrisy that comes out of the people that do support them, where they're like it is my body and my ride. You went not going to tell me to wear a mask. Oh, I'm sorry, girl. Didn't you say you were pro-life too. How's that work at? That's

[00:13:50] Chris: [00:13:50] weird. No, I they're pro fetus.

[00:13:55] Nancy: [00:13:55] Yeah. I think that was the first moment. Cause I remember. [00:14:00] Very early in the pandemic. Like I was still going to work every day. Like I, not much had really changed. We it's horrible to say now, but we were just joking about it and not in the sense of like go home and look at these numbers, but me, like, I'm a heavy chain smoker.

[00:14:15] So if I'd cough, I would just look at everyone. Like it's not Rona. I swear like a smoker. That's all it is.

[00:14:21] Chris: [00:14:21] Did you ever see the photo? You say you're joking about it, but quite frankly, a lot of us did in those early days because we didn't know how serious it was. We've dealt with things like Ebola and this, that, and the other, swine flu.

[00:14:35] But those came here and affected a small number of people before our government like kind of hold on them. So I don't think any of us ever expected that it was going to become this thing that it has, but. There was a photo of somebody getting pulled over by the police. They put in a fucking piece of paper up to the window saying I have Corona virus, so they fucking couldn't roll [00:15:00] down their window.

[00:15:00] Nancy: [00:15:00] Oh my God.

[00:15:03] Chris: [00:15:03] And I was just, I remember why seeing that photo at the time and fucking dying, laughing.

[00:15:08] Nancy: [00:15:08] That's amazing. But it was like, we had been talking about it for a couple of weeks and then all the sudden it was like, Nobody come back into the office until further notice everyone is working from home.

[00:15:19] And I

[00:15:19] Chris: [00:15:19] was like, yeah, it was like overnight. It became really serious. And I remember getting really anxious like that first day when all the lockdowns began. And I'm reading all the updates online and I'm like, okay, I'm actually scared. Like even though I was in my. House in North Carolina at the time.

[00:15:37] And I was completely secluded by myself and had no reason to go anywhere. I was like scared. Cause I'm just like, I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. I've never seen our country deal with something like this to where people cannot leave their homes. And we don't know when this is going to be over and it was just scary.

[00:15:58] I think it's, I think it's just [00:16:00] scary to go through something that is potentially deadly. Where it's so UNPRI, it's so unprecedented, you know what I mean? Like just the uncertainty of like, how do we get on the other side of this? Well, and the other

[00:16:13] Nancy: [00:16:13] thing too, that really freaked me out is I'm way too shitty of an adult to handle like the grocery stores being empty.

[00:16:21] Like, do you think I plan ahead and have a stockpile of things like toilet paper and food? No, like that was my fear. Cause when I had to travel during the pandemic. For work. And then I finally came home and I was like, okay, I need to, I've been gone for over a month. I need to go grocery shopping.

[00:16:41] I need to get stuff. And I'm literally walking through the grocery store and nothing. There's nothing like, I think that first grocery trip that I went on, there was no toilet paper, no paper towels. Thankfully I had some in my apartment, but. Me going through the entire frozen food [00:17:00] section and being like, okay, so there's one bag of meat, tortellini here.

[00:17:04] I guess I'll just grab that. And, Oh, there's no bread anywhere. I guess I'll just get this one thing of bologna and maybe that'll get me by. And that was very scary for me early on, because I was like I live alone. What am I going to do? Like if the stores, and then I tried to be a little bit more proactive and I asked the people at the grocery store that's near me.

[00:17:23] I'm like, so. I just want to know, like when do you guys get your truck? Cause like, I just want to show up as soon as you guys open so I can get some basic things. Cause at this point I, on average, I would say I go grocery shopping maybe once a month, if that I tend to just load up and then I wait until things are down to the very bare minimum bare cabinets.

[00:17:48] Oh, yeah. So because every time I would go and honestly, I wasn't trying very frequently to go to the grocery store. Cause I was trying to be very diligent with my quarantining and [00:18:00] not make trips out with unnecessary risks. So I remember asking them, I was like, Hey, so when does your truck come? Because I just want to show up like, as soon as you guys opened, because my house, I have like nothing left right now.

[00:18:13] And I. Sure. I can do carry out and whatever, but I need like actual things. So when does the truck come? They're like, well, comes on Saturdays. And I was like, Oh, okay. So that first Saturday that happened after that, I was immediately like 5:00 AM sitting outside the store, waiting for them to open up.

[00:18:33] And I was finally able to get like chicken breasts and, bread and. Paper towels and toilet paper and, dish soap. Like I, cause I was out of pretty much everything because I didn't go shopping before I left for my work trip because I'm not coming back for a month. So why would I, you know what I mean?

[00:18:50] Why would I have anything stocked up? But, so that was particularly messy, but I don't I remember when the first numbers came out [00:19:00] for my state, where we were at like 423. And I remember being like, Oh my God, I can't believe guys, 423. This is like out of control. And now we're over 300,000 and I'm like,

[00:19:11]Chris: [00:19:11] Yeah. So he completely bungled the entire response to this, and it's really seconding how so many of these people have politicized the entire thing.

[00:19:22] Nancy: [00:19:22] Well, to me, that's that was what the scariest part of him being the president for the response. When the CDC put out clear guidelines of wear your mask and he's reading the statement and he's like you know where it's own where it's not required.

[00:19:36] I'm not going to be aware of in mind, just like, what are you doing? Like you are. We all knew he was crazy, but I was like, that is so reckless. And now all of his supporters are gonna be like, well, Donald Trump, he, and they're more Washington. And he told me I got to wear a mask. I'm going to fucking wear a mask.

[00:19:55] I'm like, and I love seeing all these videos pop up of [00:20:00] people, like on massive oxygen, like crying and talking about how they wish that they had listened. And Oh, then they caught Corona virus and now I need a lung transplant or whatever else I'm like. Yeah. Idiot. If you listen to science. So like,

[00:20:14]Chris: [00:20:14] Yeah. But I feel like these, I feel like they need to have a master list of everyone who didn't follow the COVID protocols and refuse to wear a mask. And check that list when these motherfuckers check into the emergency room and be like, no, sorry,  for you, but you don't have a ventilator. You're fucked.

[00:20:37] Go back to the parking lot and die. Yeah. Because it's ridiculous.  These poor healthcare workers are working like 48 hour shifts and there's no end in sight and they're having to treat people in the parking lots because there's no space. It's all avoidable. If people just fucking [00:21:00] followed the directions and then I see people, if you go to I'm seeing people on social media in places like Florida, where everything has just returned to normal, like there's people packed into bars and shit.

[00:21:14] Because they just can't stand to not have their lame ass, Friday night karaoke with Brenda and Shirley at the fucking local watering hole. And they just have no regard for the fact that we're in a pandemic. Well,

[00:21:31] Nancy: [00:21:31] that's the second we started releasing how to wash your hands videos. I knew we were fucked as a country.

[00:21:38] I was like, we really need to explain what song versus you can sing twice. And that shows that it was 30 seconds of washing your hands. Like dear God, that's what I knew. What was going to be bad.

[00:21:52] Chris: [00:21:52] Well, there's a whole thing that came out a poll of people washing their hands and it basically [00:22:00] said, The biggest group that doesn't wash their hands is white people.

[00:22:03] And the well overall, overall it was white people, but white men in particular, don't wash their hands.

[00:22:11] Nancy: [00:22:11] Hold on, let me put on a really shocked tone. Oh my God. The white men were dirty. That is crazy,

[00:22:20] Chris: [00:22:20] which is, completely coincidentally also the group least likely to wear masks. So the dirtiest ones are the ones who refuse to wear masks to shield the rest of us from their nasty acids, but welcome to the United States.

[00:22:39] But so, yeah, so the election happened, thankfully it turned out. The right way, despite the fact that they spent months and are still now trying to contest the fucking results of the election. And then of course there was this special election, two [00:23:00] special elections for the Senate that just went our way last week.

[00:23:04] So we're going to have some kind of normalcy return to our government and I just. I want to just, I want to go back to logging onto social media to just see pictures of people's cats. Talk shit about what happened on fucking American idol and Memes. I don't want to fucking just be constantly doom scrolling Oh my God, what horrible thing happened today?

[00:23:29] Like what, how far have we fallen into a banana Republic this week? I just want to go back to normal life of not. Knowing what the fuck the government is doing every damn day. Remember

[00:23:42] Nancy: [00:23:42] when you weren't ashamed to be an American?

[00:23:44]Chris: [00:23:44] Vaguely.

[00:23:46] Nancy: [00:23:46] I have, cause I have some friends that are abroad and of course when stuff happens in the news and all during Trump's presidency, I'll just get a random, email here or there where they're like.

[00:23:58] Man America's [00:24:00] wild. Like, yeah, we're doing our best, I guess this is our best.

[00:24:05] Chris: [00:24:05] Yeah, I got, yeah. But tangentially election related we're going back to some things that happened earlier because we hadn't recorded yet, but

[00:24:23] we, so we have, first of all, Trump telling people that on the, on January 20th, when he's supposed to be leaving or when Joe Biden is being inaugurated, but he's not going to leave the white house, like physically not leave. Which I would be excited to see, because basically like they're going to drag you out, like on January 20th.

[00:24:56] Nancy: [00:24:56] Can we just like, can we just set up a [00:25:00] bunch of cameras and like, I would pay a lot of money for footage of him being dragged out. By his literal hair and his, 57 inch belt loops like bitch, I would happily pay to see that. , let him go ahead and try and stay in there. Try to dig in like a tick, please just broadcast it so we all can enjoy it.

[00:25:26] Chris: [00:25:26] Yeah. And there's all there. So I don't know exactly what the protocol is, obviously, because it's. Unprecedented, I don't think any of us do of what they would do if he wouldn't leave. If it, if what agency is responsible for removing him if I guess it would be the secret service, but how does that work?

[00:25:46] When the secret service, he also has his own secret service detail rock, paper, scissors, but would it be this you could surface, would it be. You asked marshals, would it be familiar to I don't know [00:26:00] specifically what, like law enforcement agency would be responsible for moving him, , if they put that shit up on, if he were smart, because we knew we do know from his, from the tax returns that we've seen of his from, I think New York state that he's $400 million in debt to someone and the debt is going to come due when he's no longer president.

[00:26:19] So. If I were him, I'd be like, you know what, let me just real Housewives this shit. And let me create this really big spectacle on the day that I leave, where they're going to have to like, We're going to be ripping art off the walls. We're going to, they're going to have to drag me out. We're going to make this big thing and set up like a real camera crew.

[00:26:39] Like big, bring a Bravo camera crew, have everybody wear body cams, set up a lighting kit in each room and turn it into a whole production and charge people to watch that shit on pay-per-view because you would make probably like a hundred million dollars just from people paying to see him get removed

[00:26:58] Nancy: [00:26:58] from the white house.

[00:26:59] Oh, yeah. National [00:27:00] debt would be gone immediately.

[00:27:02] Chris: [00:27:02] Yeah. , so, and there's been, I guess there's been different theories of what people could do. Like someone was, there was a rumor last week that I'm not sure if there's any truth to it, but that they were saying I guess there's some other like adjacent white house building.

[00:27:18] That I don't know what it's called, but there's another building that they were saying that once Biden is inaugurated, that he would work out of until Trump left. And then what they were going to do was like, turn off all the utilities. So turn off the wall or turn off the electric. Like he can't watch Fox news.

[00:27:36] He can't tweet he, well, he can't tweet anymore anyway, but thank God  and just smoke them out that way. But I think that was just, I think that was an unsubstantiated rumor, but who knows either way, bitch on January 20th dress is getting removed. They, but

[00:27:52]Nancy: [00:27:52] I don't know. What's the normal timeline for the sitting president to essentially move out of the white house, [00:28:00] like in a normal world.

[00:28:01] That is is it normally a week before the inauguration. Is it like, what is that timeline normally?

[00:28:07] Chris: [00:28:07] Yeah, that's a good question. I'm not sure, like when they actually start physically getting their stuff out. Certainly I don't think anybody waits until the day of, to be like, okay, now we're leaving.

[00:28:19] Here's the keys. Here's my, where's my security deposit. Yeah. ,  it's sad that we're even having to think about this sort of thing, but. I have no idea. I really don't. But now they're saying that he's planning to do this whole big spectacle in Florida at Mar-a-Lago where he's going to as counter-programming to Biden's inauguration, he is going to like, make this big display where he's going to fly air force one off, fly it off the white house lawn, and then.

[00:28:52] Arrive at his rally in Mar-a-Lago on air force one to greet his supporters and how like a whole [00:29:00] big rally there to celebrate or whatever it's supposed to be. , I

[00:29:05] Nancy: [00:29:05] thank God. So I don't know. I don't know what. Trump's support looks like around you or what kind of stuff you've seen, but did you read about that?

[00:29:18] Trump train bullshit.

[00:29:20]It's wearable. The Trump train,

[00:29:23] Chris: [00:29:23] sweetie. I'm in New York. We don't have a Trump supporters.

[00:29:27]Nancy: [00:29:27] So there was something called the Trump train that was going on near me. And it's literally where a bunch of angry unwashed, white men and pickup trucks put big flags and shit on the back of their car. And then they. Pick like locations to drive through.

[00:29:45] Right. I've been seeing it all fucking year. It's annoying. And of course, none of them have masks on it's a whole big thing. I will say what gave me actual hope for the first time in a long time was the weekend [00:30:00] prior to the election, it was like, Saturday or Sunday, I think. And I was, out driving and there was one side of the road and it's all these fucking maggots and Trump supporters with their flags and their diabetes and their obesity.

[00:30:15] And then I look to the other side of the road and there's a huge crowd of Biden, Harris supporters with signs and, dressed up. And it, that was the first moment where I was like, Oh, my God, like we do have a shot. We do have a shot. I cried and I was very loud and obnoxious and rolled down my window and was screaming and waving at all the Biden Harris supporters, and then like screaming, fuck you to the Trump supporters.

[00:30:42] It was really fun. But

[00:30:44] Chris: [00:30:44] that I haven't seen any of the Trump train stuff in person, but I've seen it on social media.

[00:30:49] Nancy: [00:30:49] It's cringe. As

[00:30:51] Chris: [00:30:51] what I perceive is hilarious is there's a video of, I forget what state it was in. It might've been Michigan. I forgot. I'll have to [00:31:00] look it back up, but they had made their way into a black part of town.

[00:31:05] Oh no. And. The whole, like all these black people came out into the street and just dragged them for Phil and was like surrounding their cars and shit and made them completely like shook. And they'd gotten their fucking trucks and turned around and left. I

[00:31:22] Nancy: [00:31:22] love it. Yeah. Cause I've seen them like literally assembling at like gas stations near me where they're all like, all right, y'all ready.

[00:31:30] We're going to head out now. And I'm just sitting there like. Jesus Christ. I just wanted to come here and get an Italian sub and now I have to look at this.

[00:31:37] Chris: [00:31:37] Yeah, I got ya.

[00:31:40] Nancy: [00:31:40] So remember in 2016, how I told you that my landlord had those little Trump, like side of the road signs stuck in and someone kept pulling them out and he asked me if it was me doing it.

[00:31:51] And I was like, no, but that's hilarious. So this year. And I don't know when he did this because I didn't hear [00:32:00] anything. I didn't see anybody. I was just hanging out in the apartment. I went outside to go smoke. All of a sudden there is this six foot by four foot Trump Pence sign. That's been reinforced with two by fours and all this shit.

[00:32:13] And I was like, Oh God, people are going to drive past here. And think that I did that. This is. Genuinely disturbing, but I will say after that Saturday where they confirmed that Biden won. He very quietly came here and got it and left. But there are a bunch of people around here that still have Trump Pence stuff all over the place.

[00:32:38] Yeah. And there's a sign that I passed the other day that said Democrats for Trump liberal suck RA. Fuck ever. Yeah. It's some cringe.

[00:32:50] Chris: [00:32:50] , so they've been ever since election day, they've been pushing all of these conspiracy theories about voter fraud. And if you recall [00:33:00] as we mentioned, there was like a couple of hours when Trump was leading before the mail-in ballots came in and. He tweeted out around, I think midnight, maybe a little earlier, that he's one, like he tweeted out that he won the election and declared that he was the winner before for the fucking votes are being finished.

[00:33:22] We're finished being counted. And then as they continued to count, he's talking about, Oh, they need to stop the count. Stop the count that was biggest. That was the first. Wave of all of it was telling everyone to stop counting, because if you recall, it took them like, a week and a half or whatever, to finish off with them, counting, stop the count.

[00:33:43] That's what jumped. I

[00:33:43] Nancy: [00:33:43] still cannot believe because I had read about different like initiatives leading up to the 20, 20 election about how to. Be proactive because they're gonna have way more Malin mail in ballots this year because of the pandemic [00:34:00] and everything that's been going on and how to, disposition them in a more timely fashion, if you start counting them earlier.

[00:34:06] And every single one of those efforts stalled. So when I was sitting there watching the news and they were like, and they've just now started with the mail in ballots, I was like, Oh, my God. Like I always vote in person. This is the first year I've ever done a mail in ballot. I'll probably do mail-in ballots from here on out.

[00:34:23]But I cannot imagine what a nightmare that was of seeing this massive room full of ballots that you're not allowed to touch or do anything with until. The 6:00 PM on election day or whatever time it was that they started them. I, that we could have had our results so much faster and not had to wait 75 years to hear that Biden one.

[00:34:48] Chris: [00:34:48] Yeah, I don't, I don't know how they handle it in other countries, but I don't understand the idea of waiting until election day to count the Malins other there. Other than, I guess [00:35:00] them not wanting the results of the mail-in ballot. So affect people's votes or something. I don't know,

[00:35:06] Nancy: [00:35:06] but I would think you would start that you could start the count prior to the actual election day, and then you just wouldn't publicize those numbers until it was officially like polls are open.

[00:35:18] Right. Cause I can

[00:35:19] Chris: [00:35:19] see it ended up leaking anyway. Well that okay. But they could at least start counting on election day. Not wait until after the polls have closed. Yeah. Yeah. So the, you know what I mean? Like they could start cause they could start counting on election day and then just report the results of the votes in this.

[00:35:42] Same way that they do the regular ones later that evening. Well,

[00:35:46] Nancy: [00:35:46] and I did read too though, that because of the pandemic, the amount of volunteers that normally assist with the elections dropped by a massive amount. So,

[00:35:55] Chris: [00:35:55] right. That's true too, because normally it's Older people, mostly older women that [00:36:00] are like the poll workers and stuff, and people who fall obviously fall into the high risk group.

[00:36:05] So I did read that there were a lot of college students that did volunteer this year, , I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. But I'm just remembering like all that time. We were fucking waiting for Nevada to drop their results and shadows were

[00:36:21] Nancy: [00:36:21] coming out. I don't know how we survived anything before memes from being totally honest.

[00:36:26]Someone sent me one where it was like the next time that I don't get a text back right away. I'm just going to send you're acting like Nevada right now, to be honest.

[00:36:35] Chris: [00:36:36] , so it was like, they started out with this whole stop, the vote thing. Then we finally,  they made Georgia do a hand recount. They did, then they are sorry. They made them do a hand count. Then they made them do a recount, a hand recount after the count, after the hand count,

[00:36:52] Nancy: [00:36:52] I wonder how many people were killed themselves.

[00:36:55] Can you imagine you just got done with all of that and they're like, okay, so [00:37:00] number one, thank you so much. Number two, we need it by hand now. Like I would just throw all the bounds in there and be like, fuck it. I quit.

[00:37:08] Chris: [00:37:08] You get paid to do it. So not enough, but it's also the money. Most of the time, unless you usually States have laws that.

[00:37:17] If the vote threshold, when threshold is within a certain percentage, there's an automatic recount and that's paid for by the state, but anybody can request a recount regardless of the amount, but they have to pay for it. So essentially these poll workers got paid by the Trump campaign to recount the votes, which ultimately ended up either having pretty much the same result or in some cases.

[00:37:42] Biden ended up having more votes than he did before. Yeah.

[00:37:46]So that was a waste of time and money. But I loved that when he asked, I think it was Wisconsin, he asked to recount and they were like, sure, we'll recount, but you have to ask, grow us half the money first, even start this bitch, [00:38:00] because until we see that in our account, until we see that deposit hit.

[00:38:04] That direct deposit child. We are not even raising a hand to start doing this recount because we, you are known for not paying your bills and we're not about that life. Yep.

[00:38:15] Nancy: [00:38:15] And we're not taking the white house as collateral bitch.

[00:38:17] Chris: [00:38:17] But so, yeah, so, so we started out with this top account and they finally counted and then it was like, okay, well now we're going to Sue saying that There were dead people that voted or people who voted twice, or what else did they say that the signature verification was fake because a lot of these States have these very there's all of these, voter suppression tactics that come from the Jim Crow era that are still around where they were basically trying to put up barriers for black people to be able to vote. And it was, if you watch the movie Selma, the Ava DuVernay movie, it shows how they did that, but it would be stuff like.

[00:38:53]Here's a jar of jelly beans. Tell us how many beans are in the jar. And then you can vote or name all [00:39:00] 50 States and the capital of each state. And then you can vote or like stuff like that, where it was obviously designed to keep people from voting. But then there's other stuff that's more subtle that it's still around, like the signature verification where basically.

[00:39:14]And I think it's done slightly differently depending on which state, but essentially they have your signature on file from, I guess, when you registered to vote or maybe the last time you voted or something like that, and you can vote, you can go to the. Go to the polls and vote. But if your signature cause  when, or at least in New York, anyway, when I go to vote, they pull out like a book and they say, Oh, here's your name?

[00:39:39] Okay. Sign here next to your name and print or whatever. When you vote, when they go to count your vote, if your signature does not match what your signature was on your voter registration, they will throw out your vote.

[00:39:54] Nancy: [00:39:54] So what is crazy to me about that though, is I was watching A documentary specifically about the [00:40:00] laws or the things that are in place with validating the votes.

[00:40:04] And they literally showed what Richard Nixon's signature looked like at the beginning of his presidency. And then what it looked like at the end of his presidency and how much your signature just changes over the course of your life. So all these people We're finding out way after the fact from, the 2016 election that their vote was never counted because they rejected their signature.

[00:40:24] And they're like, no, that like that's me. But that signatures from when I was, 18. Yeah. It changed. So that was very

[00:40:31] Chris: [00:40:31] interesting. Yeah. And that's the thing is it's like, okay, if you're claim because the data is clear that it's mostly black neighborhoods or, black counties where most of the signatures have been rejected.

[00:40:45] So it's clear what the intention is behind it, behind keeping that in place. But if they really were saying, okay, this isn't about race, this isn't about being biased against Democrats or whatever. This really is about just us wanting to make sure that the right person's [00:41:00] voting, then why wouldn't you be required to notify people that their vote was rejected?

[00:41:07] Nancy: [00:41:07] Yeah, that is crazy to me because

[00:41:09] Chris: [00:41:09] after the After the election because Georgia was still counting. And I believe North Carolina was counting as well. Up to like a week afterwards, they were trying to get the word out to everyone. If you voted in Georgia or you voted here, You need to go to this website and check to see if your valid was rejected, because it'll tell you if you take it upon yourself to check, it'll tell you whether your ballot was counted or rejected.

[00:41:37] And if you, if it was rejected, you have an opportunity to quote unquote, cure your ballot so that your signature matches the original signature. But you have to take it upon yourself to check that, to see if you. We're rejected. Most people don't even realize that's a thing. So so if they really, if it really was about just, well, we just want to make sure that we're [00:42:00] no voter fraud is taking place.

[00:42:01] Then you would have you would put something in place to notify people when they, their votes don't count also. That's one of the things that the Republicans were suing about in, I believe Michigan. Was that they were saying so in place, in the democratic counties where there were the politicians, there are Democrats, they put out notices to all their constituents saying, Hey guys, check your ballots, cure your ballots.

[00:42:28]Make sure your vote was counted. The Republican controlled counties didn't do that for obvious reasons because they didn't want more people to. Check and get their ballots secured. So in their lawsuit in federal court, what Rudy Giuliani's dumb ass was arguing was that, well, the the Republican leaning counties that the voters in those counties didn't have a chance to secure their, to, to cure their ballot.

[00:42:58] And it's like, well, [00:43:00] That's their fault. Like you can't be upset that the Democrats actually wanted people's ballots to count. So they told them to check it, but your stupid ass people didn't. So they didn't do anything. That's not, it's no one's fault, but their own.

[00:43:13] Nancy: [00:43:13] So, and I fully believe that they were convinced that they had this election in the bag, that there was no way that Biden would win.

[00:43:21] Chris: [00:43:21] Well, I think they know that generally the more people vote. The more likely it is for Democrat to win. And that they also knew that most Democrats are voting by mail and motor Republicans were voting in person. So it's just one of those things where it's like, everything they're doing is so anti-democratic and so fascist that  it's really quite scary.

[00:43:45] How many people have decided to go along with this scam and this sham that. This wasn't, a legitimate win. So that leads us into talking about the proud boys, [00:44:00] which if you don't know who the proud boys are, they are from my view, a white supremacist group of. Basically in cells who they, they hate black people.

[00:44:16] They hate Jews. They hate women. They're a far right group. I think they were founded by this guy, Gavin McInnes, who was one of the co-founders of fights. Which should tell you a lot about vice actually And they

[00:44:35]have different chapters around the country. And one of the chapters, one of the chapters in Florida is actually headed up by this guy named Enrique Terrio, who is Afro Cuban. And yeah. Exactly. So make that make sense. And he actually just got arrested a couple of days ago because [00:45:00] in one of the protests that they were doing or whatever it was, I don't remember where, but they destroyed, I think a black lives matter sign that was at a church or something.

[00:45:11] And the police didn't know who did it, would, they knew that it was the proud boys, but. They didn't know a person to be able to charge. So Enrique Terrio on parlor, which is now going down. But we'll talk about that in a second. He posted that, Oh, people are saying that this is a hate crime and that's false because I'm black and Cuban and I'm the one who destroyed the sign and.

[00:45:37] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He basically admitted to it, even though I'm pretty sure he didn't do it. I think that he was he basically wasn't a Patsy, like he was taking responsibility for it so that it wouldn't be seen as the hate crime essentially. And so he admitted to it on social media on parlor [00:46:00] and they found him like a daily at her.

[00:46:03] In DC, I believe. Cause he was there. I think he was the, I would think he was there for this whole Trump rally that happened.

[00:46:10]Nancy: [00:46:10] Ryan, you said right wrong. Right.

[00:46:13] Chris: [00:46:13] It was a riot. And they arrested him and I guess at the time they arrested him. He also had all these illegal guns and like ammunition in his car he wasn't supposed to have.

[00:46:24] So I think he thought he was going to be going away for a misdemeanor. And now there's all these more serious charges. Was he the one that

[00:46:32] Nancy: [00:46:32] had the car full of Molotov cocktails?

[00:46:35]Chris: [00:46:35] No that was somebody I don't, I'm not sure if that was one of the proud boys. It might've been, but but that was, yeah, that was totally separate.

[00:46:43]But. Because that he was arrested days before the rally that before the riot or whatever. And so anyway, that's so the proud boys, they're just this awful hate group and They have, they asked Trump about that about [00:47:00] them, the first debate. And if you recall, he told them that you basically was asked to disavow them and tell them to stop what they were doing.

[00:47:07] And he said, stand back and stand by dumb fucker. And so anyway, I got them, I'm looking them up on Wikipedia and just seeing it, their logo is a fucking rooster.  Even though, they all have like micro penises I'm sure. So  where was I? What was I talking about? Oh yeah. So they've been doing all these protests and they pretty much, every one of them has turned into a disaster where there's violence involved and there's people getting maced and beaten and.

[00:47:38] All this other stuff. And I don't know if they had anything to do with Gretchen and Witmer's attempted kidnapping, but they're just bad news in general. And God, I dunno if you saw that photo, maybe I sent it to you of the guys who were wearing those fucking dresses and then flash their asses at that. [00:48:00]

[00:48:00]Rally that they did like two weeks ago, three weeks ago,

[00:48:03]Nancy: [00:48:03] You didn't send me that and please don't

[00:48:05]Chris: [00:48:05] No, you really don't want to see it. It's like these old gross looking guys who haven't bathed in like a month. Yeah.

[00:48:12] Nancy: [00:48:12] I already have a sleep paralysis demon, so I'm really fine on that front.

[00:48:18] Like her and I are on good terms. So we don't need to, we don't need to change her form.

[00:48:23] Chris: [00:48:23] Yeah. So, , there, there was a rally. They did where they were wearing. They weren't wearing any underwear and they lived, they like lifted up their dress skirts and there, they had the words, fuck NTF. I've written on their ass cheeks.

[00:48:40] And

[00:48:41] Nancy: [00:48:41] yeah, I bet you, these are the same type of men who are like, I don't wipe my ass after I shoot. Cause that's gay. Like I bet you. Oh, the smell stop. I can't,

[00:48:51] Chris: [00:48:51] yeah. I'm like one of them have some low-hanging balls that you could see was yeah, it was just, Oh

[00:48:57] Nancy: [00:48:57] God. Yeah. Yeah, don't send [00:49:00] it.

[00:49:01] Chris: [00:49:01] It was gross. But so there's been these rallies that they've been having around the country that have gotten out of hand and that leads us into what happened.

[00:49:14] Earlier this week at the Capitol, which was a fucking disgrace. So like how,

[00:49:22] Nancy: [00:49:22] how were you made aware that things were happening? Because I

[00:49:28] Chris: [00:49:28] I've been napping because I had, I woke up early that day. I think I woke up at like five or 6:00 AM and I just fed. Yeah. And then I went back to sleep and I don't think I woke up until like one,

[00:49:41] Nancy: [00:49:41] cause I was steadily texting you.

[00:49:42] And I was like, he must not

[00:49:44] Chris: [00:49:44] be right. Your taxes are what woke me up, I think. Oh. And I was like, well, no, it was good because I was like, what the hell fuck is going on? So then I checked social media and I was like, Holy. Shit. What is going on? At first I thought Oh, it's [00:50:00] just protest is getting out of hand.

[00:50:01] But then when I saw the updates on Twitter where it was like, no people have breached the capital they're on the floor of the house, they're on the floor. Like I was just sitting there in disbelief.

[00:50:11] Nancy: [00:50:11] Yeah. So like DC has been such a massive part of my life. Like. Constantly going there all throughout my life.

[00:50:24] Different ages, different times. I remember like, Losing my shit when our school field trip was like, so you guys are going to get to go into the Senate and the house representatives, and we're going to go to the Supreme court today. And cause that was all pre nine 11, like some of the tours and things I've gotten to do in DC.

[00:50:41] I feel extremely lucky because I know after nine 11, they nipped a lot of that shit. So I have a very deep love of DC and I that watching that unfold. Number one, my nerves went immediately through the roof. Like I was like [00:51:00] stress vomiting. Cause I was like, Oh my God, someone's gonna get killed. So it's going to happen.

[00:51:03] People are going to die. Oh my God. Like, and I made the mistake of clicking on a link today where I saw the footage of the police officer that got beaten to death. And I regret clicking on that. But

[00:51:16] Chris: [00:51:16] I, the one, are you talking about the one where there was like blood coming out of his mouth?

[00:51:20] Nancy: [00:51:20] No, it's a higher up one.

[00:51:23]But you can see all the different directions of people with like crutches and bats and all like all just wailing down on him. It was

[00:51:31] Chris: [00:51:31] w is this the one who was hit in the head with her info? Fire

[00:51:34] Nancy: [00:51:34] extinguisher or different one? No, the fire extinguisher one that's the one inside the building. This is the one outside of the building.

[00:51:42] Jesus it's yeah, I don't recommend clicking on it.  It was, but I don't think I've ever watched the only other thing I can compare watching and feeling such actually, no, I can't even compare it because I was I was a kid when nine 11 happened. Right. I was in eighth [00:52:00] grade. So like, I remember just being like, Oh my God, this is insane, but I didn't contextually, I didn't feel the full impact watching this was.

[00:52:10] Terrifying heartbreaking, upsetting. I was in complete shock and then I was like, Oh, I'm going to just start shotgun and beers. I'm not going back to work for the rest of the day. I'm logging off. I, yeah, that was, and when I saw the gallows that got put up with the new sin, then seeing just Twitter flooding with all these images, I.

[00:52:33] And even days later, every day I find at least five or six brand new images that break my heart. Like some of the presidential busts that were in the hallway that had blood all over the faces. They smeared shit all over the walls. And one of the hallways seeing videos, uploaded of trashed offices just it's, it was heartbreaking and disgusting.

[00:52:56] And I never [00:53:00] like. Don't get me wrong. I've never thought Trump was one to do the right thing or that he particularly cared about America or anything. But when Joe Biden came out and made his. And I had a whole moment of like, Oh my God. I remember when presidents used to talk and I felt like warm inside.

[00:53:20] Oh yeah. But he begged Trump. Please tell these people to stop, get them out. And then Trump uploads that 32nd. You're very special. We love you. Which time to go, like, dude, get fucked. That's so pathetic. And that's when I was truly at a loss for words, because I was like, this is. Like I know he added fuel to the fire the whole way for that, quote unquote, rally to turn into a riot and he didn't give a shit.

[00:53:51] And we saw footage of him enjoying watching what was happening with his son and all their weird cronies. But I could [00:54:00] not believe that he didn't, that was a chance he could have actually looked like less of a piece of shit for once, but.

[00:54:10] Chris: [00:54:10] Well, that assumes that he didn't want it to take place.

[00:54:13]Nancy: [00:54:13] No he got exactly what he wanted, but if there was anything, any shred of him that gave a shit about his legacy, he would have just. He would have just said, stop it, go home. And not the yet very special. I love you that weird bullshit

[00:54:31] Chris: [00:54:31] literally came out yesterday that while the whole thing was happening, because I'm sitting there watching the videos and I'm like, for those of you who have not been to DC and not been in around the Capitol area, they have that shit locked down.

[00:54:48] Like you can't get in and around there without somebody. Shoving a flashlight up your ass. Wondering why you're there move along. If you get lost and turned around and you get in that direction, like [00:55:00] you're like, did they have serious security there? So I'm sitting there watching the videos, wondering how the fuck did they even get past the police in the first place?

[00:55:12] How did these people get in so quickly? And I'm watching the videos and I'm like, okay, You there's something like I forget if it's two 50 or 500,000, but there's hundreds of thousands of Capitol police officers. They only have something like, I think either 50,000 or 80,000 or something there on that day.

[00:55:39] So please explain to me how it makes sense when. That not only is there a big protest happening on this particular day, but it's a protest that's happening. That's about overturning the results of the election. And at the time you [00:56:00] knew that you were going to have every Senator there at once.

[00:56:04] Yup. Every house member there at once. Plus. The current vice-president and the vice president elect because she's just hitting Senator. So all of those factors involved, how did you not know that you were going to need like a fucking one, a plus security for that motherfucking capital? It doesn't make sense and everything that we're reading now and the videos we're seeing of.

[00:56:32] Some of these police officers who were on the front lines, just letting moving the barricades and letting their asses walk the fuck in. That's so disgusting. And the failures of all of these people in leadership, they fired them all.  They fired the Sergeant at arms, they fired the head person of the Capitol police.

[00:56:51] They fired everybody. Who's in leadership that was involved in this has been fired, but. I'm watching the videos thinking, [00:57:00] how did they even get this far in this close? Yeah. Then you have then I'm sitting there thinking, because I'm like freaking out watching it going, okay, this is getting worse as the minutes go on because they're getting further in, more people are in, some of them are just trolls that were just like, Hey, we're gonna, pose sitting on sitting at the speaker's desk and whatever, but some of them actually were.

[00:57:24] Armed like with Molotov cocktails, with bombs, with guns, with other weapons. And so I'm sitting here thinking, Oh my God, this is going to get so much worse. Someone's going to die. Someone is going to die and they're going to get to Nancy Pelosi or something, or they're going to I'm like, where is Kamala Harris?

[00:57:44] Somebody making sure she's safe, like what's going on. And I'm thinking where the fuck is the backup. So then we read, okay. The DC mayor has requested the national guard to show up for support. [00:58:00] And we find out that Donald Trump declined to allow the national guard to respond because since DC is not a state, the federal government controls whether the national guard responds.

[00:58:18] So,

[00:58:19] Nancy: [00:58:19] so Larry Hogan and Maryland reached out multiple times when he saw what was happening to say, we can deploy Maryland police to you right now. And apparently he was told multiple times no, by the Trump administration. And it wasn't until later on that they ended up deploying national guard from Maryland in DC.

[00:58:40] Chris: [00:58:40] Yeah. And that's the thing is that

[00:58:43] Nancy: [00:58:43] burned down. Trump wanted bear,

[00:58:47] Chris: [00:58:47] Maryland and Virginia. We're trying to send their national guard and, but they can't do it unless they get permission from DC, from the government in [00:59:00] DC to enter the space. So. W it came out yesterday that not only was Trump denying the request for the national guard to respond, but at the very same time he was calling, because recall, this is the reason why the protest was taking place was because there's a ceremony that happens on January 6th, where the Senate certifies the electoral folks.

[00:59:29] Nothing can be changed. It's not a thing where you can suddenly at the last minute decide we're going to flip one vote. It's something else. It's just like a ceremony. You know what I mean? It's just like a a formality.

[00:59:42]Nancy: [00:59:42] It's like high school graduation. You already did all the work and shit, and you're good to go.

[00:59:46] It's just everyone showing up in the goddamn gowns.

[00:59:49] Chris: [00:59:49] Right. And so that was the reason for this protest was they wanted to, they wanted the senators to [01:00:00] not certify the results because they were so called fraudulent. So while this riot was happening and while. Trump was denying the request for the national guard to respond.

[01:00:13] He was calling the senators and telling them to change their votes.

[01:00:19]Nancy: [01:00:19] Well, and I remember, so I remember that Trump came out saying that, like Pence is going to do the right thing and make sure it's struck down and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then apparently there were some videos that surfaced last week of once they were inside of people, screaming where's Pence and Tim obviously being shook and it was revealed that Yeah, the trumps didn't check in on him once during all those shenanigans.

[01:00:46] And they knew that

[01:00:47] Chris: [01:00:47] it actually shows Mike Pence what? That the video actually shows

[01:00:53] Nancy: [01:00:53] Mike Pence. No, it shows people screaming. Where's Pence, bring him out. One of the

[01:00:58] Chris: [01:00:58] guys that was walking, showed [01:01:00] him being shot.

[01:01:01] Nancy: [01:01:01] Oh, no, but obviously he would be shocked. I wish there was footage of him like, Oh, no.

[01:01:08], so it was, cause all of this was of course, like from a very personal, assistant or someone close to the vice-president, but they said that yeah. When he heard people screaming, where's Pence that he. Was like, obviously freaking out and then the Trump's made no effort to check in on him or his safety or his whereabouts during the entire ordeal.

[01:01:31]Chris: [01:01:31] So this whole. Thing was just really scary. And it took,  hours after this whole thing began before the national guard came in from the other States. And, thank God, whoever was there, was he able to do whatever they could just to cure the Congress members and stuff?

[01:01:54] Yeah. . Now we have, I think there's now a total. I don't know. I forget what the total is or how [01:02:00] many people are dead. I heard five that, but that was a couple of days ago. And someone, another police officer just died either today or last night who was like, cause there were a number of police officers that were injured and I guess there, as the days have gone on, they come from their injuries.

[01:02:16]But the big one that everyone's talking about, remember

[01:02:20] Nancy: [01:02:20] isn't that

[01:02:20] Chris: [01:02:20] what Trump is life, right? Yeah. But the big one that everyone's talking about probably because it was the one that was caught on video is this woman, Ashley Babbitt who stupidly. So some of the people were in the like touristy parts of the Capitol where people are normally allowed to go publicly.

[01:02:44]Then they pushed their way as the hour went on, people were pushing their way further into areas where they weren't supposed to be like, going onto the actual floor of the Senate, going into Nancy Pelosi's office, Jim Clyburn's office [01:03:00] everybody's, all the senior people's offices.

[01:03:03]And there is a particular area. Where Pelosi and Pence were, which was, I believe it's called the speaker's lobby, or at least that's what it said on the door. And that was the area that was the most heavily guarded because there was secret service because of pens. And you can see in this, well, first of all, at the beginning, when this whole thing came out, you saw her being pulled out on a stretcher.

[01:03:31] With they were doing compressions and there was clearly blood all around her neck. And at the time we didn't know who it was, if it was a, or if it was a congressperson and a cop, whatever, we just knew somebody was clearly injured in the neck. And then later we find out that she was a Trump supporter, who was one of the writers.

[01:03:49] And then we see the actual video of when she was shot. And essentially what was happening was that area that speaker's lobby where Pence was being held. [01:04:00] They were trying to break in and the police were telling them, do not come in here because we're going to have to shoot you. And they had I don't know if it was secret service.

[01:04:11] It was some type of tactical team of people like sharp shooter motherfuckers, because they had like real gear, real scary ass rifles and they ha they were inside the Capitol building right at the door, pointing the guns to the door. As all these little smelly unwashed Trumpsters are banging on the doors, using like objects to try to bash it open.

[01:04:38] They couldn't get the doors open, but they were banging on the windows. Which the windows must be Bulletproof or something because it they were trying really hard to get those windows open and it took like a lot of force to, and effort to finally break one of the windows enough for them to be able to get in.

[01:04:54] But they ended up breaking one of the windows and this woman, Ashley Babbitt [01:05:00] climbed up on the door, into the window. To try to get in and she's wearing a big backpack on her back as she's doing it at the time. So who knows if she's got a gun in there, a bomb, a whatever, and as she's climbing in the officer closest to the door is telling her, do not come in.

[01:05:18] I'm going to have to shoot you. She was warned multiple times and she was still crawling her ass and talking about, don't tread on me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, stop the count or stop the vote or whatever the fuck. And they shot her up. Yes, she got shot right in her mother fucking neck.

[01:05:37] And I don't think it took longer grass to die because. The guy was a really good shot. And it looked like when they were pulling her out on the stretcher, that she was already dead, quite frankly. And so now you have all these people, of course look her up on her social media. Her name is Ashley Babbitt.

[01:05:55] I think her Twitter page is still up and [01:06:00] she's talking all this shit about all this stuff they're going to do and you know how she's going to make Polosi pay. And. All this other shit. So she's all big and bad talking on social media. And now they're running around talking about how she's a martyr and it's B her death is basically the same as George Floyd.

[01:06:22] Nancy: [01:06:22] It killed me when I started seeing posts that were saying like, But they didn't have to shoot her. Like she was unarmed and I was like Oh, so now you guys care about that. That's interesting. Cause when everyone was outraged all summer and we were talking about George Floyd and Brianna Taylor, you guys, just kept saying, well, if you follow the rules, you wouldn't have anything to worry about.

[01:06:47] Like they deserve what was coming to them. Very interesting. I literally saw a Twitter post that said like she was an air force veteran and a true American hero. Hashtag [01:07:00] say her name hashtag Ashley Babbitt. And I almost threw my phone across the room. Like y'all are really going to try to hijack the.

[01:07:10] Say her name hashtag, which is clearly about women of color being murdered. What, how tone deaf are we these days

[01:07:18]

[01:07:18] Chris: [01:07:18] But so, yeah, and now it's look, if you, if she was a fucking trespasser at somebody's house yeah. If they would have had the right to shoot her ass. So you're telling me that her climbing through a window of a federal building. With a group of people who are trying to overtake the building with weapons, that somehow that's not a justified shooting.

[01:07:53]They told her multiple times, if you come in, we will have to shoot you period. And she thought, I [01:08:00] guess that being a white woman was going to save her ass from getting shot. Well, guess what? That white privilege check came back insufficient funds bitch, because now you're dead.

[01:08:09]Nancy: [01:08:09] Not the white privilege check bouncing, honey.

[01:08:12] Chris: [01:08:12] Yeah, it sure did. Oh my God. But just these people, I just think the idea and I've even seen some liberal people defending her, like saying, if you believe, if you don't believe in people and on people getting shot, we should believe that across the board. I'm sorry. No, there was a huge difference between George Floyd, who was apprehended for a fucking counterfeit bill, getting a knee on his neck until he died versus a large group of people writing to overtake a government building.

[01:08:52] And trying to stage a fucking coup, which by the way I'm not in the military, but I'm pretty [01:09:00] sure if you're in the military and you commit treason there are consequences for that. So she was a veteran and she knew good and goddamn well that she was committing an act against the us government. So there's no excuse, I'm sorry,

[01:09:16] Nancy: [01:09:16] but I think they can.

[01:09:19] I think they can still dishonorable discharge or dishonorably discharged people from the armed services. Yes.

[01:09:28]Chris: [01:09:28] They can, and they should, because her stupid ass does not deserve to be considered a fucking veteran. And I don't know if her husband's military as well or not, but. We'll wait, what's her husband with her at this event?

[01:09:43]Nancy: [01:09:43] No, he was not with her,

[01:09:45] Chris: [01:09:45] so, okay. That's right, because he was, I remember reading those texts that she sent on the plane. Well, I'll make sure to watch my six bitch. You should have been watching her 12. So I

[01:09:55] Nancy: [01:09:55] saw it. There was an interview with her husband where he was [01:10:00] out in California. And apparently when he.

[01:10:03] He had been texting her for a while and hadn't really heard back. So he like texted her for like a status update of like, Oh, how's everything going? And then he saw the image of her being rolled out on the stretcher. And at that point, obviously she wasn't identified, but he told this new station, he was like, I knew immediately.

[01:10:20] That was her. Like, without a doubt, I knew that was her. , he was not with her. I don't know if he's a Trump supporter. I assume I don't. I have no idea

[01:10:31] Chris: [01:10:31] who he is. Yeah. They're both huge maca Q Anon people. Yeah. , so this is,  it's really sad to see. There's a, there's another video that I saw that was showing from the PR I don't know who it was that was recording, but it shows the perspective.

[01:10:48] Cause  the legislators they were hiding, like in the balcony. And they were, there was a video that shows  Congresswoman Jayapal and a couple of other people. And you could [01:11:00] see that she was like, she was shaking and she was terrified because this was like the part when they were they'd already made their way into the building.

[01:11:08] And they were like trying to break the door down to get onto the floor of the house. And. I guess by the time, eventually they did make it in, but I guess by that time they had, the authorities had moved people into a secure location or something. I

[01:11:24] Nancy: [01:11:24] would have shit, my pants immediately.

[01:11:26] Chris: [01:11:26] Yeah.  Think about what that, you have no idea what's going on. They thought they were saying, they thought it was just, Some rowdy people that have made their way into the building and that it was going to be taken care of it. They didn't, it wasn't until they started trying to break down the door that they were like, Oh my God, we're actually in danger.

[01:11:45] And this is like a, basically a terrorist attack. That's essentially what it was. People don't want to call it what it is, but it essentially was domestic terrorism. Yeah. I can't imagine like you're stuck in that Capitol building. There's not enough [01:12:00] police there. And you don't have any weapons, what are you supposed to do?

[01:12:04] And you don't know how many people there are, where are they at? What part of the buildings they've gotten themselves into? The

[01:12:10] Nancy: [01:12:10] scarier part to me is that there you have no way of knowing where they actually are in the building. So if I've run out of this room to run in this direction, am I running towards safety or disaster?

[01:12:21] Like I, Oh my God. I'd probably be paralyzed with fear, shitting and crying in a corner. I don't. Cause how do you know which way to go? You don't that's so that is so terrifying. I would lose it,

[01:12:33]Chris: [01:12:33] but I'm just like, I'm enjoying seeing in the days, following all these people get identified and arrested because many of them got arrested already that day or like the next day by do you see police for like local charges of unlawful entry?

[01:12:53] But now they're also getting arrested by the feds. So which it's this is serious shit. If [01:13:00] you're, if federal agents show up to arrest you, like you're not going back home. You're going to be going away for a long time. And there's all these people that are like, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

[01:13:11]I didn't know what I was doing. I got caught up in the moment and know.  Please forgive me. This is not who I am and blah, blah,

[01:13:18] Nancy: [01:13:18] blah. No girl. Let's you. We saw your post history. It's

[01:13:23] Chris: [01:13:23] there's this particular guy whose name I'm blanking on. I think his first name is Bruce and his last name is something with a lot of letters, but he is, he lives in a suburb of Chicago and he's the CEO of some company.

[01:13:38] And he'd already been arrested for unlawful entry by the local police. Rusted and released until he was back at his house. And the local news was, has showed up basically asking him, like, why did you do that? What do you have to say? And he was basically like, well, I made a mistake and I [01:14:00] was just there to hear the speeches.

[01:14:02]I didn't mean to go. I didn't mean to go inside the Capitol. I was just following the group and. Blah, blah blah. They

[01:14:08] Nancy: [01:14:08] pushed me I didn't mean to go in. They pushed me

[01:14:12] Chris: [01:14:12] and I'm like, come on dude, this was not just a situation of Oh, we're just going to peacefully and neatly walk in in in formation into the Capitol to check out the fucking view like this was, you were, you could clearly tell that the group that you were in was violently overtaking the building.

[01:14:33] Like you knew that. So don't try to sit here now. You just thought that you weren't going to get caught. You thought, Oh, it's as big group and they're not going to be able to know who was what you know, and I'm just going to be here and do my thing. And then I'm going to leave. You didn't think you were going to be able to be identified and found you didn't think they were going to be any consequences.

[01:14:51] And yet here we are so mislead with the fucking bullshit. And then he, so he posted his apology on Twitter. [01:15:00] And conveniently deleted his entire Twitter history so we can see what the fuck he was tweeting beforehand because it was all because it's all, I'm sure his lawyer told him to do that because anything he may have said can be used to prove what his intent was and going there, but I'm like, y'all cannot sit here and act like you just got caught up in the motherfucking moment.

[01:15:22] When so many of you had weapons. And all this other shit. There's this? Oh my God. I forgot. I think I did send it to you. The two people who, the one woman who was literally holding a sign that said don't tread on me and her ass got trampled to death.

[01:15:38] Nancy: [01:15:38] You did send me that she was

[01:15:40] Chris: [01:15:40] stupid bitch.

[01:15:42]Oh, Mike, first of all no I just. I can't. And her fucking family is like wanting us to feel sorry for her and shit, girl. Bye.

[01:15:50] Nancy: [01:15:50] What cracks me up is the juxtaposition between the before and after photos of them, like all happy and smiling and running around during the [01:16:00] riot. And then the mugshot photos, they have like a thousand yard

[01:16:04] Chris: [01:16:04] stare.

[01:16:06] Well, there was another guy who Was a part of it who having his social media had some crazy shit on it. And he was talking about, let me see if I can find exactly what you said because somebody posted let's see.

[01:16:19]Okay, here it is. Yeah. So these are the statements that he had posted on his social media in the weeks prior I'm in call me, I have guns and ammo. Let's take this fucking country back. Load your guns and take to the streets. Maybe Nancy Pelosi will get it and die. And we can't stop a fucker from cheating and election.

[01:16:38] The only Republican with balls is Trump. You fuckers, aren't doing shit to help Trump instead of posting this bullshit, you should be doing something else to help Trump. So this is what he posted on his social media regarding this particular event. And then he's got a photo of him in his fucking house, standing in front of his Christmas tree, holding two big ass rifles, one in each hand, [01:17:00] and then has two pistols in his waistband.

[01:17:03] So it seems as Kevin Greeson now Kevin Griessen is dead. He was in the process of trying to steal a painting and his dumb ass tasered himself in the balls and had a heart attack.

[01:17:20] Nancy: [01:17:20] Oh my God.

[01:17:22] Chris: [01:17:22] I not joking. He did. He hit, he had the taser in his pocket, I guess. And somehow it went off. And he hated himself like four or five times in my life.

[01:17:33] And now, Oh my God,

[01:17:37] I can't. Can you imagine, first of all, can you imagine dying for Donald Trump in the first place? Let's just start with that. I can't

[01:17:43] Nancy: [01:17:43] imagine that. I also can't imagine dying. I can't even imagine being tased, let alone dying from a taser. Holy shit. I

[01:17:53] Chris: [01:17:53] hadn't heard that. But bitch, imagine people showing up for your funeral and being like, how did he die?

[01:17:59] Oh, he [01:18:00] tasered himself in the balls. Like this is your legacy. Bitch. This is going to be on the family tree. This is going to be on ancestry.com.

[01:18:09] Nancy: [01:18:09] What I am curious about though, is what is Ashley Babbitt's funeral gonna look like? Is that going to turn into like a pseudo Trump rally where everyone, all these Trumpees are gonna show up there to support her and honor her?

[01:18:23] Is that word?

[01:18:24] Chris: [01:18:24] Probably

[01:18:26] Nancy: [01:18:26] because I don't even know how hand, like, how are we handling funerals during COVID.

[01:18:32]Chris: [01:18:32] Most of the people that I've like I had a family member die and we just we, I think it was like pretty much at the beginning of COVID. So it was, I think it was like an April. And so at that time we thought that the lockdown.

[01:18:48] Well, like we were going to do the lockdowns for a month and then we were going to go back to normal at that time, but then it didn't. So we, they started planning funeral and then we just ended up canceling it altogether. But I've [01:19:00] seen people doing like virtual funerals or like where it'll be just the immediate family, that's there at the, like doing the service and the pastor or whatever.

[01:19:10]And they recorded it and just stream it for everybody else to watch. But I don't know what the, I don't know if funeral homes are specifically mentioned in any of these like lockdown orders, if you're allowed to do them or not,

[01:19:25]Nancy: [01:19:25] they would be an essential business because they, do autopsies and,

[01:19:31] Chris: [01:19:31] you considered essential for like handling of the bodies, but Having that many people under one roof in one room.

[01:19:40] Yeah, it is.  It's the same as basically a borrower restaurant. So and then you've also got, and it's, and you've got people at crying and stuff and so there's all these air, there's all these respiratory droplets like it's so, yeah, I don't know, but who knows. But is she originally [01:20:00] from Maryland?

[01:20:01] Nancy: [01:20:01] She I just know that she lived in Maryland, in Huntingtown, Maryland and Annapolis. Cause there was a Baltimore sun article about her that got posted because I'm not gonna lie though. When you texted me like, Oh, she's from Maryland. I was like, I know his ass is lying right now. He's trying to punk me into believing because I know you love to trick me.

[01:20:24] So I was like, Oh yeah, it was she. And then you sent the article and I was like, Oh my God. , I don't know if she's from Maryland, but she definitely lived here.

[01:20:34]Chris: [01:20:34] Yeah. So I'm just wondering if they were even thinking about having a funeral where they would have it, if they would have it in San Diego or, Oh, wait, was it San Diego or was there another part of LA?

[01:20:44]It was long

[01:20:45] Nancy: [01:20:45] beach.

[01:20:46]Chris: [01:20:46] Let's see. Ashley Babbitt.

[01:20:48]Oh, she says she's from ocean beach. I don't know where the fuck that is. Ocean beach, California. Okay. It's it says it's in San Diego County. So San Diego [01:21:00] is one of the redder parts of California. So

[01:21:05] Nancy: [01:21:05] the Navy stuff

[01:21:06] Chris: [01:21:06] out there. Yeah. So it wouldn't shock me if they did have a funeral for her and all these magazines people showed up.

[01:21:13]But

[01:21:14] yeah, fucker. That's what I have to say. I just don't have sympathy for any of these people. It's like, you knew what you were. I can, I guess I could say there are some people who genuinely support Trump and believe that he's. Been cheated or whatever, and they were there to just be a part of an event fine.

[01:21:32] But once you fucking breached the Capitol and you went inside, you knew what the fuck you were doing. You knew exactly what you were doing. So I don't buy the bullshit.

[01:21:43]It's always after the fact, once there's consequences. Oh, my gosh. I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I got caught up in the moment that a little bitch. Bye.

[01:21:52] Nancy: [01:21:52] Well, and the, what I don't understand either, and I don't know what group this is.

[01:21:57] There's a group. Is there similar to the proud boys, but [01:22:00] it's a different group, but they were a bunch, there were a bunch of them at the riot with sweatshirts on that had six M w E written on it, which stood for 6 million. Wasn't enough. They're this hugely like anti-Semitic group

[01:22:15]Chris: [01:22:15] 6 million as in 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust.

[01:22:18] Nancy: [01:22:18] Correct. So I don't remember the name. But they, there are a bunch of pictures of them there.

[01:22:25]Chris: [01:22:25] Well, that's scary. Yeah. , there, it's there's, I think we're going to learn a lot more in the coming weeks, especially after Biden takes over the justice department. The Congress is also doing their own investigation. Amy Klobuchar is in charge of the Senate judiciary committee's investigation, which, if she's in charge of it, she's going to certainly get to the bottom of, get to the bottom of it.

[01:22:55]She's a former prosecutor and she's really tough and smart. And [01:23:00] what's really scary to me is it's clear that. Certain individuals in the Capitol police were complicit either, either in a premeditated way or in the moment. And Jim Cliburn was on CNN the other day, talking about how.

[01:23:21] The actual offices of the senior members of Congress are in are like hidden away. Like they're not in obvious places. So if you were to go to his office where it says, like Jim Cliburn his name on the thing, the part that you would think is his office is not where they went. They went to the hidden part.

[01:23:43] So he's yes. So meaning somebody had to have told them. Where these offices were located. And so that's either Capitol police and, or, and I think it's very likely [01:24:00] that it was actual Congress members and, or their stand or their staff who we're complicit in this, in, in organizing and helping these people to organize and telling them where to go.

[01:24:11] Because remember, we now have. Several like Q Anon people that are in Congress now for on the Republican side. And so it very well could have been one of them. But people are going to get to the bottom of it and I just can't wait to see them all in prison. Quite frankly.  So that's all of that mess.

[01:24:32]There's going to be more, that's going to be unfolding over the next couple of weeks and probably months as these, they continue. Every day there's more and more people arrested and sadly, more people that were learning 

[01:25:03] [01:25:00] all right, Joel, that is the end of the first part of our two-part episode. We have so much to say we had to build this out into two parts. If you want to hear the next episode, go into your feed, it should be available right now. To continue listening. .

Episode 3 Part 1: How Not To Get Away With Scamming

Chris: [00:00:00] Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of wine therapy. It's me, Chris Evans. My cohost Nancy is here with us too. Hello. Hello. It's been a while since our last episode, but we are back with what I think will be our best episode yet today we are talking about [00:01:00] scams. It's all about scams there. A lot of you out there have been scammed and maybe some of you are the motherfucking scammers.

Nancy: [00:01:10] And if you are unfollow or just. Forward some of that money to us,

Chris: [00:01:18] but today we're going to talk about some really interesting scam artists, some big, some small, and then we're going to talk about some ways that you can spot a scam so that you don't get scammed. So, first off, of course, we have to start with making sure we've got our wine ready.

So I've got my red wine. Can't find my class that I have, that you can pour the whole bottle in. So I'm just using this stainless steel goblet that I found.

Nancy: [00:01:55] How game of Thrones have you final season?

[00:02:00] Chris: [00:02:00] I think I actually did bite these once I started watching game of Thrones.

Nancy: [00:02:06] Final season,

Chris: [00:02:08] but I need to get one of those big, fancy, like Searcy goblets.

Nancy: [00:02:12] Yes. Opens Amazon.

Chris: [00:02:20] So the first one we're going to talk about today is probably the biggest profile one. So there's a movie that was made based on this story. The movie is called bad education. It's an NHL original, actually it stars Hugh Jackman, Allison Janney. There's a bunch of other good actors in it. Ray Romano is in it, a bunch of other people.

Oh, Anna Lee Ashford I think is in it as well. She plays Alison Jennie's niece. All right. Maybe a daughter in law or something, but essentially the movie is about, it starts off with you thinking [00:03:00] that Alison Johnny's character is the movies about her being the villain of the story. Essentially they are, they work at the school board and it's this school, it's his County in long Island.

That is apparently. One of the best at the time. Do you remember when this took tape took, take that? Where, where, when this took place, Nancy, was it in the nineties or are you having a stroke over there?

Nancy: [00:03:26] Do you smell toast? I thought it was like 2004. I can Goggle it real quick, but I thought it was later than that.

Chris: [00:03:34] Okay. Yeah, well, it was, but it was sometime ago. And the, at this time, this school was like one of the best schools, I guess, in New York and maybe even in the country, as far as the quality of education. And of course, as many of the. Quality of schools. The public schools tends to be tied to the value of the real estate because people always want to buy [00:04:00] houses in an area where their kids are going to be able to go to a good school for free.

So it was like the pride of this. County that they have such a good school system. And so Hugh Jackman I think, is like the superintendent or something. And I don't know what exactly Alison Jannie his role was, but she was someone that worked under him. But with him, like she, whatever her position was, they were both kind of high up 10.

So essentially you come to realize very quickly in the movie that Allison Janney is stealing money from. The school district and she's doing it by sort of back charging these different personal charges. So essentially what she's doing is creating invoices for supposedly school business, but in reality, the money is going [00:05:00] into her personal pocket.

And so when you see her have this, like, Lavish pool party at her house and they live this fancy lifestyle. And you're kind of like, how does it work, buddy? Who works at how does a public servant who works at the school board? Get all this money? Where does all this money coming from?

Nancy: [00:05:18] Even if it is long Island, you're still wondering how are they getting all this money?

So Wikipedia said it's 2002 that it takes place. That's when all of this occurred.

Chris: [00:05:29] Yeah. So essentially the big kind of turning point for the plot in this movie is, well, one of them is when Allison Janney, his son who owned a construction company, he goes to. The ACE hardware or whatever the hell he went for supplies.

And it was Keith was using the schools like he was using Alison Janney is like school [00:06:00] work, credit card for expenses that were supposed to be for the school. But he was using them for construction materials, I think, to do a renovation on their house

Nancy: [00:06:11] and upgrades.

Chris: [00:06:13] Yeah. And he was stupid enough. Yeah, I think he was having small talk with the cash and told them that it was a PR.

He told them the truth. There's a project for his family's upgrading their house, which they obviously thought was strange when he handed them the credit card. And it was her school card. So,

Nancy: [00:06:36] yeah, cause they were like treating him like a VIP customer because of the amount of money he just dropped in there.

So they were just questioning him on, well, what are you getting up to? What's the upgrade? And he was like, Oh yeah, just doing some stuff. Like my mom's house. And they were like, uh,

Chris: [00:06:51] so clearly her son is not the brightest crayon in the box, but that is what sort of triggered [00:07:00] everything coming down like a house of cards because.

Simultaneously, there's this sort of a subplot with this girl who is, I think, I don't know if she's a middle school student or high school student.

Nancy: [00:07:12] She's a junior. She's about to be a senior.

Chris: [00:07:14] Yes. Right? Yeah. So she's doing, I think she's working for the school paper and they want her to be doing fluff pieces about like spirit week and shit.

And instead she decides to. Do an article on Hugh Jackman's character or actually it wasn't really about Jacqueline's character. It was, I think it was just generally about how things worked

Nancy: [00:07:37] at the school skywalk.

Chris: [00:07:39] Oh, that's right. They were

Nancy: [00:07:40] building the massive skywalk and it was, it was a fluff article that she was doing, but she went to Hugh Jackman and was like, yeah, this is what they have me writing.

And he kind of unknowingly lit the fuse to be like, Well, it's only a puff piece. If you treat it that way, really dig and see what else you can get. So then she starts snooping [00:08:00] around and going through stuff and talks to Alison Janie and is like, Hey, I have a couple questions and she's okay. I'll give you one quote and then you can leave.

Cause this is a waste of my time.

Chris: [00:08:09] You want to know how many bids we got from contractors for the skywalk

Nancy: [00:08:13] construction?

Chris: [00:08:14] You explored several options,

Nancy: [00:08:15] right?

Chris: [00:08:16] I think we had four or five. Okay. For which firms? Exactly. Hang

Nancy: [00:08:22] on a sec.

Chris: [00:08:23] What's this article you're supposed to be writing.

Nancy: [00:08:25] Oh, it's a piece on the skywalk and the student paper wanted a deep dive into construction.

They're giving me free reign more or less.

Chris: [00:08:35] I guess I'm just looking for an interesting way in. Oh, okay. Ruth, Rachel. So let me give you a great angle for your story. Okay. You want to write this down? Are you taping? Oh, okay.

Nancy: [00:08:49] The skywalk is a great project. It'll be the first guy walk on all of long Island.

And yet one more reason. Roslyn schools put Jericho and say asset to shame and [00:09:00] it'll look great and make all our lives easier. Thank you the end. Good night

Chris: [00:09:03] and good luck. What else can I help you with? Do you have the bids handy

Nancy: [00:09:10] or are they not on you?

Chris: [00:09:12] No, they're not army. They're locked in the base, but lost in the annals of history.

Nancy: [00:09:16] Oh,

Chris: [00:09:16] I have next period free.

Do you

alright?

I think she starts saying, well, why are you guys spending all of this money on this skywalk? When. You know, we should be spending it on books or whatever the hell, basically she starts questioning why they were being sold. You're responsible with the spending as to put so much money into [00:10:00] something that is just for aesthetics basically.

Nancy: [00:10:03] And then they have shots in there too, of how. There's a major leak in the middle of the office, like near a printer and an electrical socket where her, Oh yeah, the school's just falling apart. And so that's what makes her pull the thread of if they have all this money being siphoned into the school to do this guy walk, like, why is everything else in such disrepair?

Chris: [00:10:24] Right. What I recall is I think they were, the skywalk was kind of being used as a. Cover for all of these personal expenses. So they were invoicing things that they were saying were for the Skyway that really had nothing to do with it. But because it was obviously a big item that was going to be expensive.

No one was questioning. There was all of these invoices were that were related to the sky, but this student doing the article. She is the one who [00:11:00] eventually breaks the story that not only is Allison Janney, a scammer, who's been stealing millions from the school district for her multiple homes. We got her, this, her that, but also Hugh Jackman's case character who you're led to believe is like the hero of the story.

He ultimately is also stealing money from the school. And there's a lot of other stuff that coming out as well about his character. It's an excellent movie. And Hugh Jackman is amazing in the role,

Nancy: [00:11:35] but I could watch Alison Janey do anything. I don't care what it is. I think she's so incredible.

Chris: [00:11:41] The plot  crack the fuck up was how Alison had been.

I think it was her knees. Cause I feel like I remember her. Calling her aunt or something, but the Annalee Ashford's character who she has some bullshit job in the office, some low level assistant or receptionist or something. And I [00:12:00] think she asked Alison Johnny's character for some money, for something related to like no wedding or hurt.

Nancy: [00:12:09] There was something kind of a base station for her boyfriend.

Chris: [00:12:11] Oh yes, it was. She wanted to play station four. Their kids or something for Christmas, the

Nancy: [00:12:18] box, whatever. Yeah. It's trendy. I don't know.

Chris: [00:12:20] Yeah. Whatever was trending in 2002, but, and she didn't have the money. And so Allison Janney hell's her. I think she told her to just put it on her corporate card, her school, but business card, which of course she was like, huh, that's weird.

But she wanted the PlayStation I got. So she just went along with it and Alison told her, and we'll figure it out later with an invoice or whatever the hell. So essentially once it comes out that Alison Janie, his character has been stealing all of the school board. People come into the office with this very dramatic meeting with Hugh Jackman.

And they're like, what are we going to do? Do we out her? Do [00:13:00] we call the police? Do what do we do? Call the mayor, whatever. And he's look, this is going to be a huge scandal and it's, they're going to, we're trying to get our budget through for the next semester. And they're going to completely not give us the money we're looking for.

And then our whole County and the entire reputation that we have will skydive. And then so will all of our property values and blah, blah, blah. He talks

Nancy: [00:13:25] about how the seniors won't be able to get into the good colleges anymore, because they're going to have such a tarnish on this high school.

Chris: [00:13:31] Right, right.

I think at that time, they still weren't even sure exactly how much money she gets stolen. I think that, I think at the time they thought it was just a couple of hundred thousand dollars or like 500,000 or something. And so they were like, we can find a way to just sweep this under the rug and keep it pushing and find another excuse to get rid of her.

And so Annalee Ashford's character, the knees to Allison Janney, she basically goes to. [00:14:00] Huge Jackman and tries to blackmail him into giving her a promotion or a raise or something like that. And she says, well, I know a lot of things about what's going on and I can tell people what. You know what my aunt was doing in public, blah.

And then he brings up the fucking receipts of her, of all her shopping trips to bed, bath and beyond, and all this other shit and leaves her with her face crack. She says, Oh, okay. Guess I'll just go, I guess I'll just go back this data entry that I was doing before lunch. Yeah. But it's a really good movie and it's, but it's just, when you look at me, Extent of the scam.

You're just like, how do people get away with this? The movie really only shows I think the two of them as having been the ones that were stealing money, if I recall, but I looked up and you were post article, there was talking about, was about the son and how his involvement [00:15:00] with the construction thing kind of blew the whistle.

And it said that there were dozens of people in the school district that were implicated. So, I guess like the movie just didn't have enough running time for that different. There were only like a widespread scheme. They

Nancy: [00:15:18] only had enough budget for Hugh Jackman

Chris: [00:15:20] and

Nancy: [00:15:22] they couldn't get any more heavy hitters in there.

So just parse it down.

Chris: [00:15:26] Yeah. But I don't want to give away everything that you learned in the movie, because then it's just come and take the file of it. But there's so many twists and turns and shit that comes up that you're just like it. If it weren't, if you didn't know that it was based on a true story, you wouldn't have believed that it could be real.

And my thing is how well, first of all, I just think it's incredible that some high schooler in the student newspaper who was the one who went and investigating and found out all this shit, we earned there. Where are the actual journalists in long [00:16:00] Island? My car y'all sleeping. Are you hibernating? Like what's going on that you missed it.

Nancy: [00:16:06] Come on. It's beach day,

Chris: [00:16:08] I guess. Maybe because the school district was just doing so well.

Nancy: [00:16:13] Well, I feel like the way that Alison Janie comes off in that movie, it seems like if anyone, one legit was around, I'm sure she would Stonewall the shit out of them. I think she thought here's this harmless little girl who's 15, 16.

Yeah. Here's a key to go look through the files in the basement. Like you're going to find anything idiot. So I think that she just had such low expectations of the damage. This girl could inflict when she starts

Chris: [00:16:39] digging. I think you're right. The fact that she was a student just doing a fluff piece, I think it was that's what disarmed her to be like, she's not going to find anything anyway, the guy that this is based on, I assume he must've gone to prison.

[00:17:00] Nancy: [00:17:00] We don't want to give it away for all the kids out there.

Chris: [00:17:04] The idea that people can steal this amount of money. And that no one's monitoring. They have, there's a character who I think is their accountant. Que Jackman keeps him from blowing the whistle on everything is the accountant comes to him and says, okay, I'm running the numbers.

And it's way more money that she stole than we thought. It's the 500,000 here, 500,000 there. I haven't even begun to start completely digging. We need to go to the authorities about this. And new Jack was like, well, you're the one who should have caught this. So. If we go public with it, you're really going to be the one that's going to have to take the fall because it's your job to find these inconsistencies in the financials and blah, blah, blah.

And he really is. He, that part of it is it's just the perfect costume of Hugh Jacqueline, who is it? Just a naturally charming and charismatic person, but you really buy into it at the beginning of the year that he's [00:18:00] this well to do guy who just. C's Navy cutting a few corners here and there has the means to an end, but you really start to notice how sinister and manipulative he is.

Once you start to get more into it. And it's, it's kind of unnerving to watch. Yeah. So that movie is called that education. If you look it up, I think the guy's name is Frank Abignail. I'm sorry. No, Frank Abignail is the guy who. Catch me, if you can, this based off of completely different scammer,

Nancy: [00:18:32] get your goddamn scammers straight.

Okay.

Chris: [00:18:35] No, it was the Roslyn school district in Nassau County and Alison Janie's character's name was Pamela Glaucon

Nancy: [00:18:46] and

Chris: [00:18:47] Frank Tessoni. You don't catch more long Island and more Italian than Frank testimony. So watch the movie. It's really good. It's on HBO. And there's so many more [00:19:00] details out there that are not included in the movie.

Cause naturally once you watch this sort of thing, you immediately want to go Googling to see where all these people are, what they've been up to and what ended up happening. So I did that and there's always articles that give you way more details and information, all the T about just everyone

Nancy: [00:19:17] speed shares the top 15 things on non-included and bad education, I

Chris: [00:19:21] guess.

I think that's what I ran into.

A month ago, I was at Dolson Pat's in Chicago and the usher says, where are you from? I said, Dixon. He goes, Oh, You're the town that the woman stole the 54 million from it is the biggest case of

Nancy: [00:19:51] municipal fraud in history.

Chris: [00:19:53] The tiny town of Dixon, Illinois lost an astonishing $53 million to one [00:20:00] government

Nancy: [00:20:00] employee

Chris: [00:20:02] fraud.

At this magnitude is happening in Dixon.

Nancy: [00:20:06] It can happen anywhere

Chris: [00:20:09] agents and local police carry the police for half a decade nine top officials wire $150 billion fraud, gold

Nancy: [00:20:17] national, and international problem. Over the past five years, we've seen a steady rise in fraud schemes,

Chris: [00:20:25] specifically embezzlement schemes, committed by an employee.

Nancy: [00:20:28] Within a finance position,

Chris: [00:20:30] allegedly embezzling

Nancy: [00:20:32] thousands of dollars from $4

Chris: [00:20:34] million. Embezzlement is a $3.7

Nancy: [00:20:37] trillion problem. Government entities are the second most

Chris: [00:20:42] frequent victims of embezzlement,

a nationally renowned horse breeders city employees, since the 1980s and a world class feat. So moving on to a different scam, but still keeping [00:21:00] in the same vein of things. There's a, another, this one's not a narrative film, it's a documentary called all the Queen's horses and the woman who directed the movie is actually a black guy.

Woman filmmaker. So find the movie and watch it and support her. But her name's Kelly Richmond Pope. I watched the movie on Netflix, but this was like a couple of years ago. I'm not sure where you found it NC. Did you, do you remember,

Nancy: [00:21:26] uh, you did just say to support her and I totally watched it on YouTube.

So now I feel like Dick, I guess I'll go tonight to make up for it. Sorry, girl.

Chris: [00:21:40] Actually, I think it's like sanctioned by the. Distributed that's on YouTube.

Nancy: [00:21:44] Oh, sweet. Okay. Yeah. So I was totally supporting her when I watched it on YouTube.

Chris: [00:21:49] Yeah. I think the distributor themselves put it up here.

Nancy: [00:21:52] Like it has ads throughout it that you can't skip, but to watch it for free I'll yeah, I'll sit through that.

But,

Chris: [00:21:58] so this was a [00:22:00] woman who our name's Rita Cranwell. And do you read.

Nancy: [00:22:08] Some fantastic beasts. Bullshit. We got going on in here. I can't with

Chris: [00:22:13] this

Nancy: [00:22:14] good luck,

Chris: [00:22:15] right? Fucking Dolores Umbridge

Nancy: [00:22:18] bitch. I can't I'll see y'all at Diagon alley. These bitches going to ask a man, they hit up green gods hard, honey. They go down,

Chris: [00:22:32] but do you remember where the town was or at least what state it was in? I forgot it. Okay. Right. It's like a small town in Illinois. It's the birth

Nancy: [00:22:43] of Ronald Reagan. They said that about 45 times.

Chris: [00:22:47] Lovely. So I'm sure it's a fabulous place. Um, the, so this woman was the comptroller of the city and [00:23:00] I think the population of the town is like 16,000 or something.

Like, it's not a very big place. And I don't know how many over the course of how many years it was, but

Nancy: [00:23:13] over 20.

Chris: [00:23:14] Oh my God, Jesus Christ. So over 20 years of her being the comptroller of this city, she stole more than 53 Milligan dollars from this city in Illinois. 53 fucking million. If I'm not mistaken, I think it is a biggest government embezzlement, like ever.

I don't think there's any other case of someone embezzling money from the city or something that was bigger than that.

Nancy: [00:23:48] You know what my favorite part about that is though that her bail was $4,500. She's still 53 million and her bail was [00:24:00] $4,500.

Chris: [00:24:01] Right. So I guess the way she was doing her scam was similar to the one in bad education where she basically now here's what I find really bizarre is that it's a small enough town that people know her.

Like people know her at the bank, people, everybody knows each other and they know that she's the comptroller and everything else. And. She created a personal account at her bank that was named, I forget what exactly it was named. It's an

Nancy: [00:24:40] acronym that was supposed to stand for like septic services and like water treatment.

I forget exactly what the acronym was, but it was something that was supposed to be legit, but that acronym purely just meant that it was completely her personal account. So she would just shuffle money out of the legit accounts [00:25:00] into that one. And then when the money would leave, she would say, Oh, well, we just had to pay for this fixing this road or the sidewalk down on main street.

Or we had to pay for that. It was all just going straight into her personal account.

Chris: [00:25:12] Right? So essentially these, this account that she created was supposed to be, the city was paying for services. So they were paying. Someone to fix the sewage wager to fix the road or this or that. And it looked legit on paper because of what she named the account when she would invoice the city and send the payments into this account.

So because of that, I guess the bank never flagged it as something unusual,

Nancy: [00:25:43] the bank and the auditors, neither flagged it as being strange.

Chris: [00:25:50] But I don't understand when you're talking about $53 million. Now I know that was over the course of two decades, but how does no one notice [00:26:00] once the money is in that acronym account that she created?

No, one's looking at what's happening to it after that, when I say no one at the bank.

Nancy: [00:26:09] Well, so they said on there that the bookkeeping was so. Complex and intricate that if anyone ever had a question about, did you see this charge that went to this or this money that just moved to that? Literally she made it.

So she was the only one who understood it. So she would have to explain to anyone else what those charges were. So it would, it read like jibberish to everyone else. So she was able to cover her own tracks until

Chris: [00:26:37] I get that. I get that part. But I'm talking about once the money actually. Is has left the city and it's now in this account, that's actually hers.

She has somehow she has to, then I don't know if she was spending money directly out of that account or she was doing [00:27:00] transfers from that into another personal account or what, but how does no one at the bank question? Where's the payroll for this company? That's making millions from their work for the city.

Where's there. Business expenses where I just don't get how someone at the bank wouldn't have seen that something was odd about the transactions of this particular account. Once she was actually able to access the money and start spending it on herself,

Nancy: [00:27:29] that's not really their job. They're not there.

The bank, isn't there to validate that these charges are all not suspicious and legit. If that money is there, they're going to move it. And under the guise of it being local government. Even if it looks weird, maybe we just don't understand it. All. This has taught me these documentaries. I'm just terrified of people that do the bookkeeping and are good at math.

Cause they're gonna Rob me blind.

Chris: [00:27:51] Right? That's a good point. The intricacy of some of this stuff, it's, once you give people access, you don't know what they could be doing with it. And it's so [00:28:00] some of it is so complicated that. They're going to be the only ones that understanding what they're doing,

Nancy: [00:28:05] but they even brought it up in a documentary that out of that shell account that she made, that she was using for personal use, that someone should have seen that it was weird that they were paying out these large lump sums to these different, like horsing associations that why would it be coming out of a city account?

And all this made me think of was I'm sorry. Horse girls are fucking weird. There was always one in my class, in elementary school and middle school. There's always one girl that's obsessed with horses and she was fucking weird. So yeah, this solidified scared of people that are good at math, scared of people that are obsessed with horses,

Chris: [00:28:43] but here's the other thing.

So her salary as a city controller was $80,000. So. It says on average, she stole two and a half million dollars per year from the city in 2008 [00:29:00] alone, she embezzled $5.8 million to give you a reference. The annual budget of the city was between eight to 9 million,

Nancy: [00:29:09] three years in a row starting with 2008 because hello recession.

That's when she thought she could cover herself more. Because, Oh, of course, they're going to have to cut budget. There. There's a recession going on. So literally 2008, 2009, 2010, she took more than $5 million each of those years, the balls on this lady,

Chris: [00:29:29] but what kills me is, so she's got all of this money that she's stolen and she's basically spending it on fucking horses

Nancy: [00:29:41] and stables and saddles and shit.

Chris: [00:29:43] Ah, Well, she's got several cars. She bought several cars. She had her own house and a second house. A multi million dollar motor home, which I didn't even know that fucking existed. Like how could, what motor [00:30:00] home could possibly be good enough? That's worth millions of dollars, but apparently it was,

Nancy: [00:30:05] it's just a motor home with millions of dollars sitting in it instead of the bank, you can't upgrade it that much.

The money's in it. That's what made it.

Chris: [00:30:13] Nancy said one of the biggest things that she was spending on was this horsing. Stable that she had some people thought that she had the money from family wealth and other people thought maybe it's coming from the money she's making from her little horse business.

But I don't see how you don't start asking questions. When you're talking about a city employee making $80,000 before taxes. And she's living like she's fucking Kim Kardashians in some small town in Illinois.

Nancy: [00:30:43] I felt like Garcelle when she went to dinner with Sutton. So how'd you get your

Chris: [00:30:46] mind, but remember that's rude to house.

Yeah. I'd

Nancy: [00:30:53] boost nor change the channel,

Chris: [00:30:54] but how does no one say girl? Huh? Well, where are you getting all these coins?

[00:31:00] Nancy: [00:31:01] Fucking horse people, dude, telling you.

Chris: [00:31:04] And here's the thing during the time that she was embezzling, the city was constantly broke. Like it, it's not like this was some, it's not like you're stealing money from, you know, the city of Chicago or something where you're talking about billions of dollars

Nancy: [00:31:23] in tourism.

Chris: [00:31:25] Yeah, but this is a town where every cent matters because they're so small. And so they had to lay off street repair workers, cut the maintenance to the streets that were falling apart. There were 65 blocks of road that needed to be repaired and replaced just all of this stuff. And while that was happening, the money was going into her pocket.

So that's what I don't get it. You would think the fact that they're so broke would be enough for them to be [00:32:00] like, let's start asking some questions here. Yeah. Essentially what happened is she went out of town on some vacation and while she was out, I think the woman who worked underneath her had to take over the accounting.

So

Nancy: [00:32:17] it was that she was the one, yeah. That would submit all the invoices every month. And then she had her city clerk who would compile everything after she gave it to her and send it out. And she remind her all the time, like only send the invoices that they're asking for, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then homegirl was out of the office on vacation.

And the city clerk was like overwhelmed with other stuff that she had going on. So she sent literally all the invoices. And including all the like shady, weird ones for coursing shit and home upgrades and all this stuff. So it was just all these invoices that made no sense. And she, after she saw that she was like, these numbers aren't [00:33:00] really making sense.

I don't know what that would be for it. And then she went right to the mayor with it while the chick was still out of town,

Chris: [00:33:07] then what they ended up doing was they went to the, the FBI. But they didn't like arrest her immediately. They had to go back to work and pretending like everything was normal so that they could spend six months building the case against her and understanding how her little scheme operation worked and watch it.

I think at that time, the clerk person was like paying closer attention to the invoices and everything. They were just in a way, working undercover for the FBI to help get evidence, to bring her down. So eventually they did. They gathered all the evidence. They just, one day showed up and arrested her ass and they charged her with wire fraud and all other kinds of shit.

And mind you, these are federal charges. This is not some like local state shit. This is the FBI, the federal [00:34:00] government and charging her.

Nancy: [00:34:00] Yeah. You're not going to get community service, cleaning up the stables for this

Chris: [00:34:04] too.

So I think with all the charges that they put on her, they had enough to basically send her to prison for life, essentially with the amount of charges they had. And so she pled guilty. I think they, they reduced the charges to just one charge of wire fraud in exchange for her pleading guilty. And she had to forfeit all of her assets, but at that point she had spent most of the money.

So if there wasn't that much, the city could recover from what she took

Nancy: [00:34:39] population of horses to auction them all off. And some of those horses were going for 600, $700,000. Holy shit. Yeah. Cause they were like, I don't know shit about horses, but apparently these were top of the line, pure bread, whatever.

Very impressive. Horses. So [00:35:00] they optioned all of that off immediately because the upkeep apparently, which this is again, not a fucking horse girls. I didn't know this, but apparently the upkeep between stabling them, feeding them, doing everything is thousands of dollars a month. So that was one of the first things that they.

Seized and started to auction. And one of the charges she had done in that shell account was a $6,000 custom made saddle. She just had crazy stuff, so they just auctioned all of it off.

Chris: [00:35:31] That's what I never understand. In these cases, it's obviously embezzling is wrong and I would never do it. But if I did, because part of what fascinates me about true crime, Is some people are all into the Gore and the murder and the criticize, the details of people getting killed.

I'm fascinated by the mindset. I'm fascinated by the criminal mindset and what would make an otherwise normal everyday person commit. A very serious crime. [00:36:00] And so I'm trying to, I try to put myself in the mind of an embezzler. I don't understand if I were going to embezzle. I would just be like, okay, let me get enough just to like, pay my house off and pay my kids' college education, maybe, and have a little nest egg for retirement and then keep it pushing.

And had she done that she would have never been caught. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but that's,

Nancy: [00:36:21] I think about when you're. In Las Vegas and you go up to the blackjack tables and you play that firsthand and you win boom. Here's a hundred dollars that you just won and you realize how easy it is. So you're like, well, let me let it ride.

Let me do it again. Let me see if I can get away with it again. I understand investing and gambling are different, but it's, I think it truly is with these embezzlers they realize how much money they got, how easily, how few questions were asked. How many people didn't notice. And then I think that just likes a massive fire of greed where it's no longer, I just need this much.

It's [00:37:00] I want it all. I need everything. I think they just get overwhelmed.

Chris: [00:37:04] Yes. But for me, it's even when I go to gamble, like when we've gone to Vegas, I've been like, okay, this is the amount of money I'm taking out $300 for the whole weekend. And once this money is gone, I'm done. Like I'm not. And if I

Nancy: [00:37:19] didn't self control,

Chris: [00:37:23] but, and, but I have to do that because I'm not independently wealthy.

I don't just have an endless supply of funds coming in. So. It's more like a self preservation. You come away from gambling, which is a fun, it's a fun activity to do, but it's certainly

Nancy: [00:37:41] my ass always loses.

Chris: [00:37:44] She sits down with the fucking slot machine, puts in like $10 and immediately lose the fucking penny

Nancy: [00:37:50] slots.

And meanwhile, I look over and you're up like $38 and I'm

Chris: [00:37:54] like how I don't, but you know what, maybe that's part of my. [00:38:00] Control mechanism

Nancy: [00:38:03] so vividly in three D

Chris: [00:38:07] I'm gambling with you. And so I'm like, Oh great. I just won $30. And then you lose all your money. I'm like, wait, let me just talk while I'm ahead.

Cause I don't want to turn up like this, but, and then I'm like,

Nancy: [00:38:15] where are we going to dinner tonight? Cause

Chris: [00:38:18] I

Nancy: [00:38:18] have a dollar 48 left. That'll get me a

Chris: [00:38:20] McDouble. I guess it's like, if you compare it to a serial rapist or a serial murderer, there's a certain. Because they're not going home with anything tangible that just that they've committed an act.

And so for them, there's a certain height cat out of the, I guess, was it's a statistic thing or it's a. They like the danger of it, the fear of getting caught, but then this gratification of getting away with it and how usually they increase the risk of their crimes as they go on, because doing it again in such an easy way, isn't enough of a high for them anymore.

Maybe [00:39:00] that's the same thing as it's not necessarily about. Just greed, although I'm sure that's part of it, but it's also, she's clearly, there's clearly something psychologically that she's addicted to as far as the knowing that she's getting away with something right. In plain view, when was she caught in 2012, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. April, 2012. She was caught. And the I'm trying to see what the year was that she embezzled the most. Oh, well, Yeah. In 2008 alone, she embezzled 5.8 million. And I don't know exactly what the numbers are in all the years that followed, but it seems like there was certainly a succession of, as the years went on, she's did more and more because the very first one she ever did was cost.

You went back so far. This says 1991, she stole 181,000. Part of the bigger story of this, um, [00:40:00] documentary was number one, the fact that they actually did employ a third party or who was responsible for catching this sort of thing. And they didn't, and they're like a large part of the documentary is dedicated to talking about this, but I don't really remember.

What the reason was for why they didn't catch it.

Nancy: [00:40:19] Okay. Shitty at their jobs. It was literally one of the guys from that auditing firm that was doing her taxes and found one year, $300,000 worth of funds that he couldn't account for.

Chris: [00:40:32] Wait. So the same firm was doing her personal taxes. Oh my God.

Nancy: [00:40:39] You know what, though?

I can tell you out of all the money that she embezzled and all the shit that she stole. We know one thing she didn't spend it on face cream. God damn. Some of the angles of pictures they had her. I was like, Oh baby,

Chris: [00:40:52] she's a horse girl. Okay. Fucking horse girls, man. What didn't you expect from a horse girl?

Nancy: [00:40:59] Don't they wear the [00:41:00] hat? Isn't that part of it?

Chris: [00:41:02] Your question, you can have

Nancy: [00:41:04] no like cowgirl hat or some shit. Isn't that? What the cowgirl you or the one that came with the stepping

Chris: [00:41:10] horse. I don't know.

Nancy: [00:41:13] I don't fuck with any of that. I can't, I just can't.

Chris: [00:41:18] But so the, they tried to recover as much funds as possible from her when they, when they seized all her assets, I don't know exactly how much they were able to recover it.

Like Nancy was saying she had, I think 300 horses and some of them are worth a lot of money, but a lot of the money she spent over the years was like, I think she'd even like given her family members money that they bought like houses with and stuff like that. The last thing I want to say is they, so they were able to get as much money as they could from her assets, whatever the number was.

I'm not sure, but they also sued the third party accounting firm that was supposed to have [00:42:00] caught this. And I think they won a $40 million settlement. So they did between. Her assets and between what they got from the accounting company and recovered most of the money that was stolen from them. But on top of the federal charges, which were enough to send her to prison for life, they also brought charges against her on the state level.

So.

Nancy: [00:42:26] In for a penny in, for a

Chris: [00:42:27] pound, they, in the event that she was acquitted of the federal charges, they want it to be prepared to be able to charge her on the state level. But then once she was convicted, they dropped the charges. Cause they were like, we don't want to waste the state's time going through a child on the state level as well.

When I think the law is that if the sentences are meant to be. Serve concurrently. So it wouldn't have added any more jail time to her anyway, but they were waiting in the wings child ready to file those state charges for us. It's gone off. I kind of thought that she might get [00:43:00] away with it.

Nancy: [00:43:00] Yeah. I just

Chris: [00:43:02] kind of thought, well, she's a white lady and everybody in the town likes her.

So. I kind of just thought maybe she'd get off without any jail time, but clearly she didn't

Nancy: [00:43:14] Swift hammer adjusted.

Chris: [00:43:34] I have a story

Nancy: [00:43:35] for

Chris: [00:43:35] you. This story has got everything presented drugs,

Nancy: [00:43:41] Ronald McDonald's.

Chris: [00:43:43] Somebody went to the FBI and said, guess what's happening? The McDonald's monopoly game was fixed. The Bureau thought it was just some BS story.

Nancy: [00:43:51] Fast food fraud was not making any list

Chris: [00:43:54] of priorities. Are you kidding me?

This is what makes my phone meter go. [00:44:00] McDonald's monopoly game gave millions of people, a chance to win, but from 1989 to 2001, there were almost no legitimate million dollar winners. The

Nancy: [00:44:09] FBI told us the game pieces are being stolen. Conversations on the wire were coming in.

Chris: [00:44:17] I'm hearing the name uncle Jerry thrown around on the phone.

He

Nancy: [00:44:20] started focusing more on trying to. Figure out who he was.

Chris: [00:44:24] He's a fricking gangster uncle. Jerry was getting to take it and selling them to other people. This is a million dollar winning ticket and he's got it in a Ziploc sandwich bag. That's not even sale. Somebody offers you a million dollars. You're going to take it unless you got to kill somebody and you might not.

And I might not be interested. We had eight original individuals, which turned into 53 majority of these winners. They're good people. One of my biggest regrets been involved in this McDonald's thing. [00:45:00] I just wanted a better life. And I feel like this couldn't come to me. If it wasn't meant for me, I'm lost this thing wrecked.

So many people's lives.

Nancy: [00:45:12] How much bigger

Chris: [00:45:13] can this get and it would get bigger.

Nancy: [00:45:15] How much further back could it

Chris: [00:45:17] go? And it would go back further

Nancy: [00:45:21] things go wrong.

Chris: [00:45:22] They always do. You can get away with something over and over. You only gotta be caught once

Nancy: [00:45:30] I've watched the founder the other day, which I really loved.

I love Michael Keaton and BJ Novak. And it popped up in my suggestions after I watched the founder of have you watch McMillian and it's six part mini series on HBO, and it just goes over the entire, the scam that these people they got, what was it? Over $25 million they got out of McDonald's. So [00:46:00] back in, I believe it started in the nineties, a McDonald's started running the promotional campaign of we're going to have the monopoly game and different food items that you buy are going to have these to peel away.

Stickers and each sticker is one of the pieces on the McDonald's board. So you can pull back boardwalk and park place. And, Oh my God, you've instantly won a million dollars or here's Illinois Avenue, or I got these two railroads, so I just want to Dodge Viper. And it was a really massive campaign for McDonald's for a very long time.

And it turns out all the shit was fixed. It was rigged by. Oh one guy who was in charge of just doling out all of the different winning pieces to friends and family. Yeah. And it went on for however many years before anyone realized, Oh shit, like all these people are connected, so I'm still shook. I just finished it [00:47:00] last night.

I like put it on.

Chris: [00:47:01] Yeah. So everybody remembers that game. It was, you would want to go to McDonald's just to get those fucking pieces and then they would give you a non-police board, not a real one, but like paper one, they wouldn't give it to you, but you could find it in the newspaper and you would, people would put it on there.

Refrigerator. And then you could add your pieces to it. Cause the pieces were attached to either your drink or to your thing of fries or whatever, and you would peel it off and it was a sticker. And then you could stick it onto your little game board. So you could try collecting just like in the game of monopoly, once you were to get park place and boardwalk, you could put a house on your properties.

It was similar to where I think some of the prizes were just straight up, like. You would peel it off and it would just be a free thing of fries or something, but, or a

Nancy: [00:47:50] free ice cream that you could never redeem. Cause the goddamn is always broken,

Chris: [00:47:56] but, but your goal was to get all the [00:48:00] pieces of one color, just like it is in the game.

And then you would get the real prizes. But nobody that I ever knew in those years ever, one, everybody always, we always thought we were gonna win, but Nope. It was like, does anybody know of anyone who actually got the pieces? I think I'm not mistaken. They. And did it in such a way to where, like you would never be able to go to the same.

McDonald's like you could go there a million times. You would never get all the bright pieces that you needed. They intentionally spread them out per region so that you would, people would never really win. Yeah. I think there may have been a couple of legitimate if I'm not mistaken, I'm

Nancy: [00:48:47] mistaken. So

Chris: [00:48:49] I thought I remembered them saying in the documentary that there were people that won or maybe that was part of them, like trying to throw people off so that not all the [00:49:00] winners were connected to them

Nancy: [00:49:00] to restore trust.

McDonald's did a 25 like instant winners after this broke.

Chris: [00:49:10] Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. To

Nancy: [00:49:12] establish trust with the community.

Chris: [00:49:16] So, but can you explain basically who the guy was and how he had access to be able to read

Nancy: [00:49:26] so well, I don't. Let me know if I'm giving away too much, but pretty much for any of the promotions offers that are run out through these fast food chains.

But most of the time they will hire these consulting firms that will come up with, and it was Simon marketing was the one for McDonald's. They did the monopoly promotion. They did the, who wants to be a millionaire promotion. They did all this stuff from McDonald's and. The monopoly promotion for McDonald's was literally like printing money.

Like they made so much money. They had such an [00:50:00] uptick in sales after they ran the first one, literally they just had to look in the books and be like, Oh man, profits are kind of down this corner. Y'all want to run monopoly again. And then sales would shoot right back up because everyone was just so excited about the potential of being an instant winner of a million dollars from McDonald's.

So there was this one printing company called Dittler brothers, and they were responsible for doing the printing of all the labels. So as part of the security for the market consulting firm that was, was running the promotion, their head of security would come to the printing plant to oversee, to make sure there was no way that the game was being compromised.

So the best part, I will say about the way that McMillian is laid out is I literally, I watched the whole thing. They don't give away how he was able to get all the pieces until the very end. So I'm not going to tell you how he was able to get the pieces, but it was [00:51:00] literally the head of security for Simon marketing.

Was the one uncle Jerry was his name. He was the one that was the head of the entire scam and who was selecting the people that were going to get winning pieces. But when he would select who you were. So if I was like, Hey Chris, I'm uncle Jerry, and I have this million dollar ticket. I'll give it to you for $50,000 upfront right now.

And then every year you're going to pay me a certain amount of money. And since you live near me, But we have different last names. I'm gonna need you to set up a PO box in this completely different state, all drive you to this. McDonald's you walk in and you redeem the ticket. It's these people that run these scams, I'm jealous of their brains.

Chris: [00:51:46] You felt bad for the people who were a part of it, the ones who were the actual winners, or at least I did. Cause there was that one woman in the black woman who was, I think she [00:52:00] was just amazing.

Nancy: [00:52:00] She was a social worker and she was friends with the other guy helping run the scheme. Jerry Colombo. There are two Jerry's in the documentary, so it does get confusing, but she was friends with his wife.

What was it? Karen Colombo.

Chris: [00:52:17] Yeah, one of the best characters in the entire thing. She's just.

Nancy: [00:52:22] I have seen my future and is bright. Let me tell you her chain smoking with that weird ass red and black dress on. I was like, Oh my God, that's me. In two years. I'm really excited about it with all of

Chris: [00:52:36] the guardian jewelry and shit

Nancy: [00:52:38] amazing chain smoking.

Those would like marble light, one hundreds in her house with her terrible hair dye. Ugh. It was that like chocolate cherry Lorielle Feria hair died all the time in high school. And you used to make fun of me mercilessly about it, but [00:53:00] yeah, she's, she is by far my favorite part of the entire documentary, but yeah, I forget the black woman's name.

I think it's, I want to say it was like Gloria or I probably should have looked this up. She was already in dire straits financially and. She thought that this would really turn her life around. I did feel really bad for her and I felt bad for the foster son who was pitched this whole story of, Hey, like your foster father, he got the million dollar ticket, but he's going through a really brutal divorce.

So he doesn't want to split any of this with his ex wife. She didn't earn it. So like, can you just cash it in and then we'll just go from there.

Chris: [00:53:38] Yeah, he was out of everyone. He was the only person who really was like a completely unwitting. Participant in it. He just had no idea of what was going on until after the fact, I think, but they still ended up bringing charges against to my thought,

Nancy: [00:53:55] Oh yeah, honey.

They sure did.

Chris: [00:53:57] Yeah. But what [00:54:00] I spent to really, it was hilarious, but also kind of sad. Cause I felt bad for them as it was happening was when they would have to do Oh, because the FBI. As part of their investigation, they pretended to be

Nancy: [00:54:18] production crew.

Chris: [00:54:19] Yeah. Production crew working for them, the McDonald's that wanted this footage of the winners for their, for marketing purposes or whatever.

So they would go to the winners and say, Hey, tell us your complete story of how you want and how you redeemed the ticket. And take us to where you were when you found it and we'll take a picture of you holding it up. So they essentially, we're trying to gather evidence under the guise of pretending to be a production company, because if they had just come in and said, we're the FBI, like tens of people would have just clammed up and not told them anything.

So you would watch these people as they were trying to explain their [00:55:00] story and that there was that video of a black woman trying to explain her whole thing and it wasn't adding up. It was so clear that she was lying. Cause it just the story wasn't making sense. And they would put like a little map up on the whiteboard and ask them to explain, I don't know where she went or how she spent the money or something, but it was painful to watch because it was obvious that she was just thinking all the shit up well, and we

Nancy: [00:55:23] printed out a picture.

Of the McDonald's because she said that she lived in North Carolina. She didn't, she lived in Florida. She set up like a PO box in North Carolina and stayed in someone's house in North Carolina and set up like an answering machine to make it seem like she lived there. So they were like, so which McDonald's was it?

Was it the one over on whatever it was like Drury lane or whatever. She was like, Oh my God. Yeah. And they hold up a picture. She's Oh my God. Yes. That is the one. And they're like, why don't you just sign it, go ahead and sign it. And the picture that they printed out, it's a one in Florida. She's I never forget [00:56:00] what it looks like.

That's exactly. It's so cringe. It's amazing. I don't know why I waited so long to watch this documentary series and the one FBI agent. I forget what his name is.

Chris: [00:56:13] Yeah. I know who you're talking about. I loved him. He was just hilarious.

Nancy: [00:56:17] I just want to hang out with him and his commentary on all the pieces.

Well involved. I am obsessed. I loved that documentary and I was blown away. And also, so after I watched all of make millions, I was like, well, I feel like I remember, like in recent years, them still running the monopoly promotion, like when was the last time they even did it. So the last time that they did the.

The McDonald's monopoly promotion was in 2016, which was a dumpster fire of a year. They were supposed to do it in March of 2020, and they suspended it because of coronavirus. That tracks. That makes sense. So here's Doug Matthews is the FBI agent, Doug Matthews. He is my absolute [00:57:00] favorite. I want to hang out with him and Mark Devereaux, that prosecutor.

I am a huge fan of him as well. I would love to hang out with him. Robin Colombo is the name of my spirit animal, not Karen, Robin Colombo. She's incredible. Truly an

Chris: [00:57:19] icon Robin. So, but the thing is, and which is probably part of the reason why nobody raised any red flags or gave a shit was because I think you said the total amount that was stolen over the years, it was like 25 million or

Nancy: [00:57:34] something.

Yep. 25 million.

Chris: [00:57:37] I mean, that was like a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money that McDonald's was making from emotion. So it was like, for them, it was, do we really care if it's a ring because it's,

Nancy: [00:57:50] I just lost a million dollars on the 150 million I just made.

Chris: [00:57:55] Right? Yeah. So w I forget, do you remember exactly how.

[00:58:00] They were first initially tipped off. Was it just like a random tip or

Nancy: [00:58:04] it was so I'm not going to spoil this because I want people to watch this. It was a anonymous phone call to the FBI and it was to one of the, uh, special agents who literally just wrote down on a post it note McDonald's monopoly scam, and he put it on his computer monitor and special agent Matthews.

Who's my favorite. Yeah. He was like young gun freshly, a special agent was looking for something to do. He had been dealing with a health insurance case that wasn't interesting to him. So he walked over to his car coworkers desk and saw the post it note. And it was like, that sounds way more fun than what I'm currently doing.

So he just ran with it and then everything started to come together and more and more special agents were pulled off of what they were doing to give more manpower to investigating the McDonalds. Conspiracy.

[00:59:00] Chris: [00:59:00] I think McDonald's when it was first brought to their attention. Obviously, if it gets out that the integrity of the game is compromised, it kills the entire promotion.

Nancy: [00:59:11] Well, in the beginning, remember they did not know the FBI was not sure the level of involvement that McDonald's had. Was it someone within the corporation of McDonald's that was responsible for the scam. So they were very tight lipped. They only spoke to, I think the first people that they reached out to at McDonald's for their global security and to other people within that little department.

And they told them like, you cannot share this with any of your coworkers because you guys might have a bad Apple in your rank. So we need to figure that out. So don't share this information, right. So they weren't sure at the beginning and then during the investigation, right. I feel like it was, I feel like it was late by the time they started.

Yeah. Like clearing more and more people from McDonald's. Oh, no. Okay. You guys aren't in on it.

[01:00:00] Chris: [00:59:59] Well, there was still one woman who, uh, I forget what department and within McDonald's she worked for it. Maybe she was like head of marketing or something

Nancy: [01:00:08] PR she wasn't now she's top of communications or something for McDonald's.

But back then, yeah, I think she was doing like communications or PR for McDonald's, but she was the main person that would go interview and talk to all the

Chris: [01:00:22] winners. You mean with the FBI?

Nancy: [01:00:26] No prior to the FBI getting involved. That's what her gig was. Part of her job was to interview and talk to the winners, which is why when they were reaching out to McDonald's to figure out like, if we're going to figure out if this is legit or not, who's the best person who knows the most about going to see the winners and the process.

So that's when they tapped her. And then she started going with them for the quote unquote reunion of winners, because I think at that point they had 17 winners or something. So they said that they were going to. Go back and interview all of them and have this huge celebration in Las [01:01:00] Vegas. So they tapped her to accompany them so they could look like a legit production company because they were all going to remember

Chris: [01:01:06] her.

She was nervous because she didn't know if she'd be able to say this is what's essentially an undercover operation. And she was sort of nervous cause she's like, Oh my gosh, I have to keep my cover and not let them know that this is actually an investigation. And left. So she was freaking out when they had to do.

And Doug, what was his name? Doug. Matt nephews. He was like, look, you're essentially doing exactly what you were doing before. You're going it. Yeah. You're just, you're talking to the winners, which is what you were already doing before. It's just, now we're here with you and we're recording this and recording evidence, but yeah, I mean, that whole thing was just insane.

That just the. The level of intricacy of the scam of his steps they had to take. And the number of people who were involved, wasn't there, something at the end of it, there was something they wanted to know that the son was [01:02:00] being coy about whether he did it or not remember

Nancy: [01:02:05] about. Where the anonymous tip came from.

Chris: [01:02:08] Okay. So I'm not going to get into that, so we don't spoil it, but yes,

Nancy: [01:02:12] I'm just kidding. Just edit this part out. I can tell you and you just edit this part out.

Hello, are you lovely people? So, uh, Chris and I had so much to talk about and enough wine that this episode is going to be a two parter. Uh, if you liked part one, head over to your podcast, feed and download part two now.

Episode 3 Part 2: How Not To Get Away With Scamming

Chris: [00:00:00] Hey, it's Chris. This is the second part of a two part episode on scams. If you haven't listened to part one, stop right now, go back into your feet and listen to the first part of this episode. Probably bottles of wine and enjoy.

So, continuing with that theme of scam, I recently started to get into cause because I [00:01:00] just happen to love trash reality TV, 90 day fiance. Well, first of all, I started with love after lockup, which. If

Nancy: [00:01:09] you want to talk about VR of trash television,

Chris: [00:01:12] if you want to talk about trash TV, that really is  the absolute bottom of the barrel.

, how they even get people to agree to go on this show and that's shorter, but that show is about people who date people who were in prison, and then you watch the process of they, how they get out and how the relationship works. now that they have to be together on the outside.

Or

Nancy: [00:01:32] doesn't work,

Chris: [00:01:33] right? . but that then led me to, once I watched all of those episodes 90 day fiance, which is about the, so I don't know if you guys know this, but when you are trying to get married to someone who is a foreign national, you have to apply for what's called the K one visa and that visa.

, they have to apply for it, I think before they even come here. So you're doing it  at the  American embassy or [00:02:00] whatever place you're in. and essentially you go in and they ask you all these questions and you have to show them evidence that you guys have been together for all this time and pictures and texts.

And. You have to have not committed any crimes and blah, blah, blah. And, the visa, once you get, it allows you to come into the United States for 90 days and you have to have legally married an American citizen within those 90 days. Or you have to get sent back to whatever country you're coming from. So that's what 90 day fiance is following people during that 90 days.

And then the, it leads up to ultimately whether they actually do get married at the end of the 90 days or not. Some of them do some of them don't. so the whole  concept of the show really is kind of a scam because. You as you're watching it. [00:03:00] some of these people, they find their fiance through Hey, I was vacationing in Jamaica and I met this guy on the beach and then we still stayed in touch when I went back and blah, blah, blah.

And so it was more of an organic thing, but a lot of them are just  yeah, I'm  a Twitch streamer. And I live in my mom's basement and I met. Irina Slutskaya online and that's critic I'm over and be my fiance. And so it's some of them really feel just  straight up mail order bride situations.

 it's  they don't speak English. It's these old,  fat guys who are going to bringing over women that are they just turned 18,  last week and they're from a poor country where they don't have any money. And so their family is  excited about them being able to go to the U S and so mind here,

Nancy: [00:03:55] though, the best part is that some of the people that come over , these mail [00:04:00] order bride types, they are not.

They're not  good actresses, they'll say flat out, yeah, if you didn't have money, I'd bounce. That's what makes it so amazing. Cause they're not even committed to the fantasy for 90 days.

Chris: [00:04:14] Well, my thing is, that's why I don't have sympathy for some of these colleagues because I'm  because what happens is that very few of them actually are  wealthy.

Most of them are just normal everyday people. But I don't feel bad for these guys who are essentially being used for their money, because  you knew that , some of them not only know that the women are coming over because of their money, but they explicitly mislead them to think that they're  living this high life and, Oh, I'm going to buy you this.

I'm going to buy you that I'm going to take care of you and blah, blah, blah. And then the girls get here and  you live in a studio apartment with a roommate and you drive  a hope D for 1997.

Nancy: [00:04:58] let's be real those [00:05:00] relationships.

They're both using each other. The women are using the men because they want money and status and to get out of their country and the men are using the women because. They want to shoot it somewhere warm once in a while. So they're both using each other.

Chris: [00:05:14] Well, that's the thing. That's right. But that's what I'm saying.

That's why I don't feel bad for them. But, there are some cases that are more obvious of okay, this is clearly  an arrangement, but there's other ones where it's more ambiguous where it's, it. It's more  the person has deluded themselves into thinking that they. That it's that the person actually loves them when it's clear that they don't and all their friends and family are Chaz,  this is she's clearly just coming over here for a green card.

What are you doing? And he's no, we're really in love. And you don't know where bro, you don't know. Yeah. And, there's one. On the, season that I'm watching and I'm not entirely [00:06:00] caught up. I don't know what season the show is on now, but I think I'm on season six and there's this, guy, I think his name is Colt and  he's  this overweight, Guy who  plays video games and he lives with his mother and they have a joint bank account and they have 12 cats.

 They live in Las Vegas and he met this Brazilian woman. Who's obviously  way out of his league and I think two weeks of the amount of time they spend together total because he went to visit her.

he proposed to her and. before he brings her over, he has as this, I think a cousin of his who's actually  his cousin and the cousin's wife were actually  normal insane, and they tried to give him advice and they're so how do you know that you're in love with her?

what do you  about her? And he was  well, when I got off the plane and I saw her turned around and it was  She was moving in [00:07:00] slow motion and it was  out of a movie and I just knew, and it was  huh. So you're basically just saying you  her because she looks good.

Nancy: [00:07:10] She's the one guys she texts back.

Chris: [00:07:12] Okay. If that's the case,  if you are fine with just, okay. She's essentially  a high class escort then. Yeah. and you're fine with that then. So be it. But it's the It's that illumination. Yeah. It's that deluding yourself into thinking that this is  a real genuine relationship that kills me because it's just look at you, look at her.

Why else do you think that she would want to come here and be with you? Unless it was for either a green card or for money?  it just, it doesn't definitely add up.

But, so most of the cases are similar to that where, you're watching it, trying to figure out for yourself, is this real, or is this a [00:08:00] cam green card situation? and sometimes you realize, maybe they are kind of genuine. And then sometimes  yeah, this is obviously a sham.

 so there is this woman from, I think season three, named Markia  and she was on Facebook in a group for plus size women or something. And she met this guy named LOA. Who told her, that he told her certain story of who he was.

And once she started talking to him and investigating, she realized that he basically realized her, but everything. so I'm going to play a clip, From that right now.

Nancy: [00:08:47] And we just really mesh well together, both kind of adventurous, outgoing, funny. He's just  a really fun

Chris: [00:08:55] person.

Nancy: [00:08:56] And at that time he told me he was a [00:09:00] Nigerian Prince

He also told me he was living in Alabama. He had a son and that his son's mother had passed away.

Chris: [00:09:13] And I started

Nancy: [00:09:14] to feel  a little suspicious. So I went into inspector

Chris: [00:09:18] gadget mode

Nancy: [00:09:20] or found some really big lies.

Chris: [00:09:24] I found

Nancy: [00:09:25] out that he had

Chris: [00:09:26] another social media profile.

Nancy: [00:09:30] That I see a picture of a woman

Chris: [00:09:32] with his son.

This was his son's mother

Nancy: [00:09:36] very much

Chris: [00:09:37] alive and not

Nancy: [00:09:38] dead. I reached out to her and she told me that lo was in Vietnam,

Chris: [00:09:44] studying business. And that is when I

Nancy: [00:09:48] realized that I've been

Chris: [00:09:49] catfished.

Nancy: [00:09:55] it was really pictures of him. So I wouldn't call it cat fishing. He just [00:10:00] straight up lied to your ass. That's I don't think that's catfishing.

Chris: [00:10:04] Well, that goes back to what I was asking about one of our other episodes where I was it's hold on. I just gotta pour another thing of wine on this mess.

Nancy: [00:10:13] Hold on. I'll join you. Here we go. Here we go.

Chris: [00:10:22] Here we go. So fishing,

Nancy: [00:10:25] when it's in relation to appearance, not what zip code or country are you currently in,

Chris: [00:10:31] but he lied to her basically about everything.

Nancy: [00:10:34] Yeah. Men are trash moving on.

Chris: [00:10:38] if you're he basically, he said, she, he said he was a Nigerian Prince. That was a lie. He said that he lived in Alabama.

That was a lie. He said that he, his child's mother, his ex was dead. 

Nancy: [00:10:51] I tell people my X's are dead.

Chris: [00:10:55] Yeah. But it's different when it's an ex who's actually the mother of your child. [00:11:00] Who's still living.

Nancy: [00:11:01] but those were his pictures,

Chris: [00:11:03] right? That's

true.

Nancy: [00:11:04] I just think he's just a big ass liar.

I wouldn't associate the term cat fishing.

Chris: [00:11:09] Yeah. So believe it or not in the spirit of 90 day fiance, after finding out that he lied about everything, she forgave him and still continue to date him. Which just blows my fucking mind because it's just did you ever, listen to dirty John, the podcast that it's  the same thing with dirty John, as good of a podcast, as it was in terms of how it was crafted.

I lost interest after the third episode, when the woman basically found out that he lied to her about everything, he lied to her about. But who he was and his background. And, he even lied about where he was going to work every day.  he said, he was an anesthesiologist and he wasn't  she had to follow him to work, to find out that he wasn't  [00:12:00] and then after all of that, she still continued to hating him.

And I'm  how, what, how I can

Nancy: [00:12:07] tell you how there are some very desperate women out there. Who will put up with pretty much anything, instead of being alone,

Chris: [00:12:17] I just can't. I get being desperate attempt to lower your standards, but it's another thing to me when the person is literally lying to you about who they actually are, because then to me  then this isn't even a real relationship because I don't even know who I'm dating.

I don't know. Who you really are. I don't know. Even if now you're completely telling me the truth. by a vibrator, to me, it's there's no

Nancy: [00:12:46] a vibrator can't spoon you at night. I can't bring you flowers. Can't ask you how your day was. Well, the really expensive ones probably can.

Yeah, I [00:13:00] don't. I don't get it either. It's it's the same thing to me.  when you see women that stay with men where it's he fucking cheated on me again, girl, why are you hanging around? What more evidence do you need? what better reason to just cut the shit and just get out

Chris: [00:13:20] well, on the most, on the season  that I am on right now.

There's a woman who, she's a white woman. she's very attractive. I think she's in her late twenties. maybe she's 30 and she met this guy who's younger.  he's 20. And she met when she, right? Yeah. First red flag. but she met him when she was vacationing. In Jamaica, he's from Kingston, Jamaica, and she kept in touch with them after she came back and they kept dating and now he just came over and they're getting [00:14:00] married and I'm  look, I get, if you you go on vacation, you're in Jamaica or the Dominican Republic.

And you're pulling some how Stella got her groove back type shit. But That's just have a flame,  just have him lay down the da and have a good time on the beach and then

Nancy: [00:14:19] keep him leave his ass on the Island. He is not invited back. He served his purpose. What a great holiday that was, leave his ass on the Island.

Chris: [00:14:32] But, To think that this person is a, is  an appropriate yeah. Partner to get married. I just don't know, understand. and they, the guy is  a human huge,  player. He's  both him and his father are known in Kingston, Jamaica for having a thousand girlfriends and just  sleeping with the different woman every night.

And just being there, big Playboy and all this other stuff. And she knows that. And. [00:15:00] She has this friend, her best friend who, I don't know how she found out, but somehow through a third party, she found out that the guy was with other girls while, they were apart. And essentially not even essentially, she literally straight up says.

To her friend. I don't care if Jesus came down now and told me that he cheated on him, I wouldn't care. That's literally

Nancy: [00:15:28] what we'll enjoy getting fitted for that clown mask bitch.

Chris: [00:15:34] And I'm I don't, I just can't understand that level of burying your head in the sand.

Nancy: [00:15:39]   I don't get it either. I don't understand it at all. I,

Chris: [00:15:43] having, having an open relationship then if you don't think your partner is going to be faithful and you're okay with it, but the idea of you just being  yeah. He's he knows that we're supposed to be together, but he's cheating and I don't care.

Huh?

Nancy: [00:15:57] Nope. Nope.  well, and [00:16:00] I wonder how much of you.  how much do you think it's playing it up for the camera? Or that's legit their personality of the chick saying Jesus could come down and tell me he's cheating and I wouldn't care. do you really is that a real person? That can't be real.

Chris: [00:16:16] if it weren't real, I wouldn't want to humiliate myself like that on television. Yeah. You know what I mean?  why would you want to, why would you want to make yourself look that stupid? Unless it was real

Nancy: [00:16:27] well, and now we know the amount of stupid people out there when I see shit about not taking away map, looking rat time where no, God masks. So yeah. That's you're right. Stupid people have bound. What was I thinking?

Chris: [00:16:41] I'm curious. I'm, I want to look back and see if there's any 90 day fiance, people who  after the fact, any of the American ones  were like, Oh yeah, I know.

I realized that I was scammed and they divorced me after two years and now. They got their green card and just [00:17:00] bounced.

Nancy: [00:17:01] I feel worse about the people that come over and the ones that they're marrying can't obtain the visa. So they have to be sponsored by  parents and then they're on the hook for them for 10 years.

Chris: [00:17:12] Oh, okay. Yeah. So that brings us to Nicole and Asan. Yeah. I love it.

Nancy: [00:17:18] Love it. My favorite.

Chris: [00:17:20] So Nicole is this young 20 something year old woman. She is very overweight. she's, socially awkward in my opinion.

Nancy: [00:17:32] and everyone else's opinion

Chris: [00:17:35] and her, everyone in her family seems to recognize that she's not.

she's an adult woman. She has a child, this daughter named Mae, who I think is three or four. And everyone seems to accept that she's an adult woman, but basically has the maturity of a teenager,  a 14 year old. she's just delusional about everything

she met this guy as in [00:18:00] who's, who lives in Morocco. And here's a situation. That is a question of catfishing because, I don't know if he's had this on the show. maybe they did. I missed it, but somebody on Twitter told me that at some point, as in basically said that he felt that Nicole catfish Tim, because in all the time he had spoken to her over Skype and  seeing pictures of her, she only showed her face.

And she would do it from angles that I guess, made him think that she was thin. And so

Nancy: [00:18:34] episode where they first meet in person, he even says how he was surprised to see how big she actually is. And then he started bringing up how she needed to work out.

Chris: [00:18:44] . But my thing is okay, so that was the very first time they met. They had been speaking for months on the internet before they met for the first time, which he can't come to the U S Scouts.

So , she's had to have visited him over in Morocco [00:19:00] and she goes to Morocco for the first time alone. And they're asking her  do you know anything about Morocco? have you done any research? She's no. And I'm just  how do you go to a place like Morocco? Or any, even I, the first time I went to Canada for the first time, I was  Googling just, just general stuff that you're kind of curious about when you go to a place you don't know, especially if it's a foreign country,

Nancy: [00:19:25] Plus we've all seen taken, so there's that,

Chris: [00:19:29] but it, especially if you're going to a place  Morocco that is so culturally different from the U S and it's so far away, how do you not, how do you not even just have the curiosity to be  Oh, let me just  on the 25 hour plane right here, do a quick Wikipedia.

Nancy: [00:19:46] Remember that part earlier, when you said she's a white woman that would explain that curiosity being lacking.

Chris: [00:19:52] I don't, I just don't understand. So anyway, she gets there and he's trying to tell her, we can't kiss in public. We can't hold [00:20:00] hands in public, in my country.  we don't, that's not allowed if you're not married and she keeps giving him shit about it the entire time and basically making  it seem like.

He doesn't want to, he's trying to avoid touching her because he  doesn't want to be

Nancy: [00:20:15] well, to be fair, I feel like he doesn't like her and he didn't want

Chris: [00:20:19] right. he very well may have been using as an excuse because he really didn't want to touch her, but she keeps  being a brat about it the entire time.

And he keeps trying to explain to her, you can't grab my hand. You can't do it.  you're being disrespectful to my culture by doing this. And there was even a part where they, I think the first trip she took there, they stayed in a hotel while they, while she was there. And, I don't remember if they had to sleep in separate rooms or just separate beds, or I think they

Nancy: [00:20:48] did have separate rooms.

Chris: [00:20:50] Yeah. And she was  all upset about that. And she was  Oh, but I wanted to, she didn't say it, but in so many words, she wanted to have sex with him. Clearly.

Nancy: [00:20:58] She said cuddle. [00:21:00] She wanted to cut it off,

Chris: [00:21:01] please. Do you want me to get that back to her now? but he's like, you can't do this, that this isn't allowed here.

And it was, it's just I just can't understand as an adult person,  not being able to understand this is a different country, this is a different culture. You can't just come here and just do whatever you want. The fact that she has, first of all, the black cause she has a child is terrifying to me.

It truly is because she is  the dumbest person ever,  on the face of the planet. And thank God she has  grandparents in the picture that are saying and know that Nicole is a fucking idiot, but she, so she comes there for that one trip, which turned out to be a disaster. They get into all these fights and to me, when I watch it, I think, okay, this is a person who is clearly not going to be with her anymore.

Now that you've seen that she's not the size that he thought [00:22:00] and seeing that she's a pretty much trashed person and just everything, but then the reunion comes around and, he wasn't there in person, but he was there on Skype. And they basically were acting as though. Yeah, we're still together. We still talk, we still, this happened the other, and then in the subsequent season, they bring Nicole in as in back and she goes to Morocco again, but this time brings her daughter and she was there for three months, but she was there for a long time for the entirety of the season.

And, they actually stay in ASINs house this time. I think. And she meets  all his family. And I have to say his family, all of whom didn't speak any English were  so nice and sweet to her, despite the fact that she's  a brat, but we treated her really well. And there was a scene where they were I think it was the first night that she got there maybe right.

The first night that she stayed with his family, his aunt had made this whole big,  [00:23:00] feast for them. And she was acting like a. A little  bratty three year old, got a restaurant she's wouldn't eat it. She was making all these faces. She was just so rude. And it was just  it's painful to watch because they're completely  so nice and graceful to her, despite the fact that she's a piece of shit

Nancy: [00:23:22] and they were so sweet to her

Chris: [00:23:24] daughter too.

Yeah. So

Nancy: [00:23:27] yeah, I remember the first season that she was on when she went to Morocco. She  started pouting when they went out for lunch and was talking about how she wanted  French fries and stuff. And he was  well, I thought you said,  you were going to try and eat better and have more vegetables.

And she's

Chris: [00:23:42] Yeah. It's girl, you're in Brocco and you're ordering French fries. what is the point in you going to it's  going to fucking Italy and being like, Hey, do you guys have, chicken fingers?  bitch?

Nancy: [00:23:59] Yeah. That's [00:24:00] going to Italy and asking where's olive garden,

Chris: [00:24:02] right?

Yeah.

Nancy: [00:24:03] What the hell are you doing?

Chris: [00:24:06] but I think it says something about the type of person she is that she clearly has no,  respect or interest in learning another culture. This is somebody who, and I think, I forget which season it was, but her, I believe her mother or something, or her sister, one of her, somehow she had a family friend who lived in Morocco.

I'm a different part of it, but close enough where they could come to visit. And she had, she was an American who had married someone from there as well, I believe. And basically they went out to lunch and she gave her  advice about the whole situation. And, she just about what, what it's  coming from a different culture and marrying someone from Morocco and.

She clearly didn't take any of the advice to heart because she just has no  respect or interest in learning anything about his [00:25:00] culture. And he says throughout the show that it's, he feels so disrespected by her that she seems to have put zero effort into trying to  acclimate to his culture.

while she's over there and  he's like,  we can do this, that, and the other,  when we're in America, but right now you're in Morocco. And so you can't just come over here and be  a bull in a China shop, American, just  doing what you want to do when you're in my country. So my thing is in the second season that they are in together, he didn't even show up for the finale.

it was pretty dramatic because every other spouse was there and he was supposed to  dial in on Skype at a certain time when he never did. And all the producers are trying to contact him. He doesn't answer. Nicole tries to contact him. He has an answer. And her mother, I think, was there with her on both reunions.

And the mother basically just spends every reunion, reading her own daughter to fill. Quite [00:26:00] frankly, she's Nicole's naive, she's stupid. And she  makes all the wrong decisions and she, and then they reveal in this season, in the second season, reunion, the mother basically spills the T that all this time she's been sending us and all this money.

And, actually I think as I may have mentioned it briefly at some point during the season,

Nancy: [00:26:22] yeah, that Nicole is quote unquote helping him out.

Chris: [00:26:25] Right. because at this whole time I'm thinking we're two seasons in this guy clearly is not attracted to her. He clearly doesn't really enjoy spending time with her.

So why does he keep. This up. And so starting to make sense. Once I started talking about the fact that Nicole keeps sending him money, and I think I'm the host, I'm forget who is the host of the reunions? I think it may be Shawn Robinson from access Hollywood. There's a woman, who's the Andy Cohen of the reunions.

And she basically straight up asked Nicole at some point what's the total amount of money that you've sent [00:27:00] him. And the mother goes to try to answer the question and Nicole, it shuts it down. She was  no, stop. Stop. Can you just stop? And so it's clear that she's given him. this is not somebody who's a welder.

 She's a freaking barista. Who's a single mother. And she has been sending, God knows how much money to this Jude and moron. Oh, for years,  what. But, so I think as in scamming her, in my opinion, and he probably has some other girlfriend in Bronco that he doesn't, that she doesn't know about and all this other shit, but

Nancy: [00:27:36] maybe he thought that there would be some  hot American woman that loves 90 day fiance and they would see him and slide into his DMS.

Maybe that's what he was hoping for.

Chris: [00:27:46] Yeah. I don't know, but they're apparently still together. Okay.

Nancy: [00:27:51] Sure. Jan,

Chris: [00:27:53] I literally just asked, my Twitter followers yesterday,  when Nicole has instilled together and somebody was like, yeah, here's their Instagram. They [00:28:00] post pictures all the time. they're still together.

And I'm  well,

Nancy: [00:28:03] if the checks are still making their way to, as in of course they are

Chris: [00:28:06] the Western unions.

Nancy: [00:28:10] If that wiretap to go

Chris: [00:28:11] through my thing is if I were her mother and maybe she probably has said it, but I would say stop sending him money altogether and see if he continues to be in contact with you.

And that

Nancy: [00:28:25] Tom, then how can he buy a phone card

Chris: [00:28:27] to call me? But see, this is another thing where it's it's almost  in her mind, she knows that he's not really into her, but she is willing to accept it anyway, a thousand

Nancy: [00:28:40] percent.

Chris: [00:28:40] Yeah. but so that's going to be the fiance. it's if you're looking, especially you're in quarantine for just some  mindless shit to watch that, is it, every episode is basically  watching a train wreck.

Nancy: [00:28:54] 10 out of 10 would recommend.

Chris: [00:28:57] So if you're looking for that kind of television, it's [00:29:00] it airs on TLC.

There's I don't know how many seasons of eight or nine, but then there's also all these spinoffs of before that I need days after the 90 days, 90 days.

Nancy: [00:29:10] Right? Jay, is it?

Chris: [00:29:13] Yeah, because I think the show is a big hit for them, so they just try to milk it for all it's worth.

So, the, on the couch segment for this episode is going to be, also scam theme. And it's actually related to 90 day fiance stuff, because most of these people do meet their people online, but we're going to talk about online dating scams. And what the red flags are that people should be looking for when they start talking to someone or meet them.

I want to play, I really got, I'm, I've become kind of obsessed with scams and I've been listening to a lot of scam podcasts. there's one called swindle. That's really good. but each episode is a different scam,  [00:30:00] it says podcast where he basically just narrates the whole story, but he talks  he's.

I don't know,  one of the fucking campfire kids. And are you afraid of the dark? it's just, it's kind of annoying, but be the content of the show is really good. but then there's also this other one that ACRP does called, bitch.

Nancy: [00:30:21] you did not just say there's a good one. A R P did.

Chris: [00:30:25] Yes, it actually is. it's a, well, because here's the thing. Yeah. It's called the perfect scam. So I guess a ERP,  they decided to sponsor it

Nancy: [00:30:34] because all their people are getting fucking scammed at these boomers. God dammit. Are we that old already that we're listening to ARP podcasts,

Chris: [00:30:43] but really good podcast.

If you're interested in hearing about scams and actually some of the scammer, I would say most of the people on there who are scanners are not really elderly, but it's just,

Nancy: [00:30:54] I'll give it a one.

Chris: [00:30:55] it's really good. But, so one of the cohosts is [00:31:00] actually Frank Avondale, who is the guy who the movie catch me if you can.

he was the Leonardo DiCaprio character in real life. And, so after all of that stuff and he went to prison and yada, he. That went to go work for the FBI and still works for them as a consultant, to help them, figure out all these scams.

And so he's on each episode giving his commentary and helping people to avoid the scams. So there's a lot of, not every episode is as good as the last,  you can go through the descriptions and read them and see which ones you find. Interesting. but one of my favorite ones was called the hikers trail of lies.

It's actually a two part episode. and it was about this woman who her name is Melissa. And she met this guy named Jeff online, or actually, man, I knew he, it may not have even been an online. It may have been in the days when they were still doing the [00:32:00]  phone chat lines.

Nancy: [00:32:03] The party line.

Chris: [00:32:04] Yeah. Yeah. but she, either way, she ended up talking to him and she, it was one of those things where, when they first talked on the phone, they were on the phone for two days straight, just talking and kind of know each other and finishing each other's sentences.

And it was just, they couldn't stop. And so, at some point he ends up telling her. That, the, I guess he's, he just recently moved to this town and he's looking for a permanent apartment, but at the time he was staying in  an Airbnb or something, or, he was staying in, he was  subletting a room in some people's house and it was a couple and they were arguing all the time.

And, so he was saying, I got to go stay at a hotel for a couple of nights or something because this is driving me crazy. And, this woman, Melissa, who, by the way, has children, I think two children, two minor children. She says, Oh, why don't you come stay in my house? [00:33:00] Big mistake.

Nancy: [00:33:02] Huge 

Chris: [00:33:05] so this woman, Melissa, she says, Oh, why don't you come and stay with us? for those couple of nights, rather than come out of pocket to stay at this hotel.

Now, mind you, the plan was him to just stay there a couple of nights. While he, found, another place to go. but this is somebody who she literally doesn't know from a hole in the ground, aside from  their phone conversations. So I'm going to play a little clip from the podcast where she explains how she came to realize that this online data.

Does the day that he's supposed to pay me back. And he had told me he would pay me for all the gas going to the casino. he had borrowed 200, but he was going to give me 300 back. And so he

borrowed my car to go to the

bank.

Nancy: [00:33:57] And about

Chris: [00:33:58] 30 minutes later, he messages [00:34:00] and says, we have a problem. And I'm like, what's the problem?

And he said that. The

Nancy: [00:34:04] Colorado

Chris: [00:34:05] branch of his bank

Nancy: [00:34:06] would not

Chris: [00:34:07] issue him a new

Nancy: [00:34:08] debit card. He was going to have to go to Denver to get the debit card.

Chris: [00:34:12] And he was  can I use your car to go to Denver?

Nancy: [00:34:14] And I was like, I don't know.  how long has, how long are you going to take? He's like, I'll be, I'm going to go up there and I'll be right back.

I should be

Chris: [00:34:20] back by noon. You like this guy enough? He's been  around that there are zero red flags,

Nancy: [00:34:27] red flags.

Chris: [00:34:28] and it, I noticed it as soon as he said it, when we were at the casino, he was talking to another guy we

Nancy: [00:34:34] were playing. I don't remember what we were playing,

Chris: [00:34:36] but, a

Nancy: [00:34:37] blackjack and

Chris: [00:34:38] there was another

Nancy: [00:34:39] guy at the table and they were talking about Alaska.

Chris: [00:34:41] Cause the other guy

Nancy: [00:34:42] had spent some time in Alaska

Chris: [00:34:44] and Jeff made a comment about his mom and he said, my mom is in you. It, and. That struck

Nancy: [00:34:52] me because my mother has been dead at the time, had been dead for about 12 years.

Chris: [00:34:56] And I would have never said she is in you. It, I would have said [00:35:00] she was okay. Anyway, I thought to myself, that's awesome.

Why would he use his mother in the present tense if she's dead. But then I was like, you know, everybody deals with things differently.

Nancy: [00:35:08] that

Chris: [00:35:09] was how I explained it. Like maybe to him,

Nancy: [00:35:11] I

Chris: [00:35:11] don't know

Nancy: [00:35:12] that, but

Chris: [00:35:12] that was the. Only red flag that I had. So he goes off to Denver, to the bank, supposedly, and your car.

He said that he needed

Nancy: [00:35:21] gas for the car to go to Denver.

Chris: [00:35:22] So he asked me if he could use one of the credit cards

Nancy: [00:35:26] in my car

Chris: [00:35:27] to get gas.

Nancy: [00:35:28] And I said, what

Chris: [00:35:28] credit card? And he was  there's two credit cards here.

Nancy: [00:35:31] And he described

Chris: [00:35:31] them to me. And one of them was my credit card and

Nancy: [00:35:34] the other one was my bank card.

And I was 

Chris: [00:35:36] how are those in the car? And he's I don't know, they're just here. So again, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and I told him that he could use one of the cards. But in your mind, at this point, he's going off to Denver. Yes. He's going off to Denver.

So Jeff has down the road and Melissa's car with her bank cards telling her he'll be back later then. And then at two o'clock he messages [00:36:00] me and says, Oh my gosh, traffic is terrible. I just got here. And I was  okay, well, hurry up. We can get

Nancy: [00:36:06] back. I need my car and he's like, no

Chris: [00:36:07] problem. And then I didn't hear from him again.

Nancy: [00:36:10] And I started getting really nervous

Chris: [00:36:11] and about five o'clock. I said, I was messaging him and around five o'clock he messages back and says, chill out. I'm in the parking lot. And I was  what parking lot? And he said the bank parking lot. And I was like in Denver. And he said, yes.

And I said, I need my car and I need my car right now. And then that

Nancy: [00:36:30] was the last

Chris: [00:36:30] thing I heard from him. And so finally at about eight o'clock that night, I called

Nancy: [00:36:35] the police and I

Chris: [00:36:35] reported it.

Nancy: [00:36:40] I can't

what do you mean? That's my bank card and my credit card. What to doing in the car? Oh no, it's just in here that I immediately would have shut those cards off. No,  Nope.

Chris: [00:36:51] Nope. Nope. Keep in mind, this is somebody who she had been talking to maybe for a couple of weeks prior to this point [00:37:00] that she invited to come live in her home, albeit temporarily with her two young daughters and this guy, first of all, it should be a fucking red flag to anybody who's dating, whether it's online or otherwise, if.

Within the first couple of weeks, they're asking you for money period. Even if it's just 20 bucks.  I wouldn't, I would just never, ever feel comfortable asking somebody that I barely knew for money.

Nancy: [00:37:37] I don't feel comfortable asking people. I've known all my life

Chris: [00:37:39] from me. Exactly.  So like

Nancy: [00:37:43] longterm relationships and I've never once asked for money.

That's  Nope,

Chris: [00:37:48] no. So that should have been your first fucking red flag when he, and I guess he gave her some story about how, Oh, I'm waiting for my check to clear or blah, blah, blah. Okay. Well, I [00:38:00] guess you got to wait for that motherfucking check to clear bitch because I have, I'm a single mom. I have two kids. I can't afford to be. Loaning money out to people that I barely know. sorry, so she agrees to, loan him this initial $100, then it turns into 200, then.

He says he needs to borrow her car to go. I don't know exactly where she lives, how far it is from Denver, but seems the way that they told the story, it seemed  it was a long distance, at least an hour or two. And so you have this guy who. First of all, you know, good and damn well, those bank cards were not in your dash and that, or in your glove compartment.

And he fucking stole that shit when he was in your house and put it in there. So he could, miss accidentally stumble across it while he was, driving, [00:39:00] but because who the fuck leaves their bank card in their credit card, in their, glove compartment.

Nancy: [00:39:07] No one, not a single person in life does that.

Chris: [00:39:11] So here's this guy who still hasn't paid you back to $200 that you loaned him. He took your car to God knows where, and it's now 48 hours later. He was supposed to bring your ship back the same day, bitch.

Nancy: [00:39:30] She should've just told his ass to go down the block and check out a Hertz

Chris: [00:39:35] or rent a car. Well, he wouldn't have to borrow more money from her in order to do that.

Nancy: [00:39:40] He can go sing on the corner or something, no guitar. So not for fucking problem. There's all the money that he supposedly had to keep staying at that Airbnb even longer, if he would have cut his stay short, he would have gotten some money back. So none of his tracks,

Chris: [00:39:55] I would be  I suggest you log in to the internet and open and only [00:40:00] fans.

Nancy: [00:40:03] Make sure you get people on the month tier to sign up,

Chris: [00:40:08] start showing some Dick or something because I'm not giving you any money. and then to let him take your car and then once he's there  I mean, it's not, like he said, it sounded  he took the debit card and credit card without her permission.

He called her and asked her and she gave him permission to use her damn. Debit card and a credit card dispute the charges. Well, I don't know. You can just view charges that you authorized is the thing, if you give somebody your card and tell them they're allowed to make purchases, that's not an illegal transaction.

Nancy: [00:40:45] Well, but then doesn't it become? He said, she said, cause she could just say no, I never told him that he could use it.

Chris: [00:40:52] Yeah. But if you're disputing a transaction, You're it's your burden to prove that you owe,

Nancy: [00:40:59] what to [00:41:00] tell you shit,

Chris: [00:41:02] prove that this wasn't you. So, so here she is, she's finally decided, okay, this guy clearly is not who he says he is, and I need to call the police, which apparently she only realized after her friends told her to, and the police  are like, Girl, this isn't a stolen car.

You gave him the keys. I think you gave him the keys. You told him that he could drive to the bank. but the fact that he's  actually texting back and forth with the police saying,  I told bitch, I was bringing back her car tomorrow. Where are you bothering me?  I do remember that she did end up getting her car back eventually,

Nancy: [00:41:47] from the fucking impound, the, probably with a homeless dude that had lived in it for a week and shit all over the bed.

Chris: [00:41:55] I think three weeks went by before she actually got the car back. Oh

Nancy: [00:41:59] my God.

[00:42:00] Chris: [00:41:59] Yeah.  he, because it was just, it kept being one thing after another road was  Oh, I just, I stopped off to stay at a hotel for thing. Cause the drive was too long and like

Nancy: [00:42:09] that should go for three weeks.

No, I'm sorry. Hey, my big ass cousin, Bubba. He's letting me his truck send me her address. I'm on my way.

Chris: [00:42:17] Well, no, I think the police were at that point looking for him and looking for the car, but, they couldn't find,  they're their best bet in getting the car back was. Getting him to agree to bring it back, as opposed to them finding it, in their own ways, which eventually they would obviously find him, but it would be quicker if he would agree to bring it back.

So I think they were  in contact with him throughout the whole time, trying to get him to voluntarily bring it back. I low

Nancy: [00:42:45] key hope he responded to some of those cops texts with chill out.

Chris: [00:42:51] Yeah. that's the part that I thought was hilarious. You're really telling somebody to chill out after you stole their goddamn car and

Nancy: [00:42:59] cards,

[00:43:00] Chris: [00:43:00] bank cards and everything else.

but, from what I can remember from when I listened to the podcast, knew it at this point, it was  five months ago. I think. he had done this to a bunch of other people.  he was just  a serial con artist and had done this to so many other. women who, he would just go keep going from one scam to the next,

Nancy: [00:43:20] yeah.

Men can really only lock down. They're crazy for about three months, max. So,

Chris: [00:43:24] well, the thing is that, if you listen to the way she told the story, he was very smart to  do little things at the beginning to gain her trust, , coming over with food and cooking dinner for her daughters or Volunteering can take her kid to the mall or when, see that part

Nancy: [00:43:40] creeped me out.

Well, maybe I'll drive him to the mall that way we can bond. all right. Let's pump the brakes a little bit. That's too fast. How many weeks was this? Get fucked? I

Chris: [00:43:51] can't single mom. She's  in that mode of being desperate to find a father figure for her kids and

Nancy: [00:43:57] that have a nice neighbor. That's not,

[00:44:00] Chris: [00:44:00] it's hard dating when you're a single parent, because.

you have to make sure your kids like them and that they're willing to accept the fact that you have children because, and a lot of people don't. So I think it was  in her mind, I think she was reading everything in the most  Rosie .

Nancy: [00:44:17] Yeah.

Chris: [00:44:18] she was not, she was trying to see the best case scenario and everything, but.

Nancy: [00:44:25] Dumb,

Chris: [00:44:27] but, yeah. And then, so, she says there was a red flag about him having previously told her that his mom was dead, which I don't know if, I played that part of the clip, but he basically said that his parents had died in a car crash and. And then later he revealed that also his wife had died in a car crash as well.

And so he was a widower. So first of all,

Nancy: [00:44:53] in his five month old daughter, right? Yeah.

Chris: [00:44:56] But anytime anybody tells me that they have family that [00:45:00] died in a car crash, I'm just  this sounds too lifetime movie or that we premiere premium. I don't buy it because

Nancy: [00:45:05] it's just died in a car crash.

Chris: [00:45:07] Yeah. But for somebody to say their entire family died in a car crash,  that's not.

Something that happens every day. It's just, they would, just, to me, it would seem to, yeah, just too convenient that you don't have any family because they're all dead and they all died in the same car accident and she doesn't know. And then she says, Oh, she mentioned the red flag of him talking about his mother in the present tense when they were gambling.

but then also, There was the thing where she was getting the money out of the ATM, but he was  making this big production of, Oh, let me turn around. So I don't look at your, pin number. We need

Nancy: [00:45:46] to look cause he was taking the cards less than a week later. So why would he need to look?

It's fine.

Chris: [00:45:51] He already

Nancy: [00:45:51] had it. He looked at different time. He already knew,

Chris: [00:45:56] but my thing is it's  you see that they do these tiny little things. [00:46:00]  telling you that their whole family died in the car crash to get sympathy or, just little stuff that  makes themselves seem trustworthy.

what would you say if some, so let's say you have a. Or let's say, it's you, you're in a relationship right now, but you spent a lot of time in the online dating space. So if you're talking to a guy off of, plenty of fish, We're all

Nancy: [00:46:24] pleased to read.

Chris: [00:46:28] I just remembered.

That's where she met him. She met him off of plenty of this.

Nancy: [00:46:32] Of course, that's where she fucking met him. I think he's in  their bylaws. You have to be on there to scam in order to sign up for a fucking account.

Chris: [00:46:40] girl, plenty of fucking fish. That should have been your first fucking clue.

That's

Nancy: [00:46:45] grocery shopping at fucking

Chris: [00:46:47] Aldi.

Nancy: [00:46:50] I don't

Chris: [00:46:51] play the fucking fish bitch. Come on. but so

Nancy: [00:46:54] give me a more respectable dating app please. And then I'll play along.

Chris: [00:46:58] Okay. Let's say it's [00:47:00] OkCupid, which is like one. Okay. Ever so slightly step up from plenty of Venice, but not much. Yeah.

Nancy: [00:47:08] I was on there for a minute.

Chris: [00:47:09] Continue. Yeah. So you start,  talking to a guy. And,  the, conversation's going well, you've been  messaging back and forth. And for a couple of days we eventually move it to text message and he says he wants to meet up.

So what are the things that would alarm you if he said  in the online conversations that would make you kind of wary of meeting up with him?

Nancy: [00:47:33] Should I just recite things that have been said to me, or

Chris: [00:47:36] should I sure. Why not?

Nancy: [00:47:39] I've literally, I literally had a guy we were talking back and forth and the conversation was going kind of well, and he was like, so like, I'd love to hang out sometime this week. Cause I had a very strict role of not giving out my phone number until I had met the person in real life, because I didn't  having someone's phone number these days.

We're all  Our phones are an extension of ourselves. So I wouldn't give [00:48:00] my phone number out until I had actually met the person who would just message on the app back

Chris: [00:48:04] then. I changed my ways. Eventually you would actually meet up with them. And at that point you still didn't have each other's phone numbers.

Nancy: [00:48:12] Correct. But only in public places  crowded public places. Okay. but no, I had this guy say to me, yeah,  I'd love to go out for a drink this week. And I was  okay. Yeah.  where are you thinking? And we threw out a couple of places, that were  kind of in between a shove where the two of us live.

And he was  Oh yeah,  I love that place. And I was like, yeah, they have a really good beer selection. And he was like, yeah. so would you be able to pick me up? And I immediately was like, um,

Chris: [00:48:41] In between where you two live and you would have to drive us are completely out of your way to pick him up and then drive back the other director. That's

Nancy: [00:48:50] correct. I asked him, well, me being a moron, I was like, Oh, is your car in the [00:49:00] shop? And he was like, no, I have four DUIs. And I was like,

so, , you know, there's that?

that's, nothing but winners.

Chris: [00:49:09] Wait, what was your response when he said that? Unmatched? Oh, you said you didn't meet up with him? Fuck.

no. I didn't know how your standards were back then.

Nancy: [00:49:19] Ouch. We'd you just reading me for Phil? no, but I think, I had a certain checklist

Chris: [00:49:26] of things

Nancy: [00:49:27] that I  was uncomfortable

Chris: [00:49:28] with the fact that he was so forthcoming.

Just be like, yeah, I got for you. . Like, if I, if it were me, I would have come up with, I would have been like, yeah. You're yeah. And here's my car, that's in the shop. and then you reveal the four DUIs,  after the third or fourth date, but he was just right out with it. So, yeah.

Nancy: [00:49:43] Yeah. But also let's keep in mind.

If he would have said my car's in the shop, my response would have been well, thank God for Uber. Huh? get fucked. I'm not coming to pick you up. I did have a, for me, warning flags were, [00:50:00] proximity to divorce because a lot of the men and women on dating apps are fresh out of divorce and just looking for strange.

So there were literally times where I'd be talking to someone on the dating app. And I would always joke,  there must be something wrong with my settings because fucking everyone that I matched with just got divorced, but there was one guy I matched with and he was  Oh shit, you ever been married?

And I was like, ah, no, I'm very smart and lucky. So now, okay. I have not ever been married. And I said, have you? And he said, yeah. And I said, Oh, freshly divorced. And he said, Well, we're separated and Nope. I don't play any of that stuff. So proximity to divorce, I think is a major warning flag.

Chris: [00:50:42] but wouldn't you, it's better that he at least was honest with you about that, as opposed to telling you that he was divorced slash single, and then after you're already in it, then you find out that you've been made the other woman.

Nancy: [00:50:56] I've already had my heart broken before by a man fresh out of [00:51:00] divorce.

That was, yeah. So no, I learned that lesson the hard way. I'll never do it again. And that's on

tape. No, but I, I did date men that were fresh out of divorce where the papers were signed. It was good. And those relationships ended terribly because, and this could be a whole other episode, but I think once you go through a divorce, It's some real dark times.

And yeah, so I, I will never do that again. Not that soon after divorce, there is one guy I dated one of the best relationships I ever had who had been divorced a year and a half when I met him and we had a great relationship. So, but to me, the closer it is to the actual date, or if they're only separated, that's a warning flag.

If they don't have their own car, unless we're living in a, Obviously  in a city then that kind of makes me weird. I think knowing their job is important, and yeah, for me,  the biggest warning flag is how close are [00:52:00] they to divorce? How recent was it? And do they have their shit somewhat together?

Not that you have to have everything  perfect and solid, but is your shit somewhat together?

Chris: [00:52:14] Right, but those are good things to think about as far as if someone's being genuine, but it's just not a good idea for you to get into a relationship with them. But, and but if someone were actually  going into it,  intentionally trying to  scam you, what would.

I guess obviously asking him for money is a huge red flag, which luckily I've never had anyone do, but I don't know if you have either asking for money, I'm asking you to come live with you, which, I'm not going to spill your tea, but.

You've had a

Nancy: [00:52:59] feeding.

[00:53:00] Chris: [00:53:01] We've had a few who have come over to spend the night and then just didn't leave for awhile.

Nancy: [00:53:07] But you know, God bless the boys in blue sometimes. Cause you just call them up and they are here. Get

Chris: [00:53:12] them out. White woman in trouble. 

but, Obviously,  if they're being dodgy about details about their life, if you're asking them normal questions, Oh, where are you from?

And what school did you go to? Or what, where's your family live or you're asking them about their exes and they're giving you, they're  not being forthcoming with the information. that's obviously a red flag. but I feel  I don't know. I guess we all like to think we're pretty good at  snipping out someone who's trying to scam us, but everybody who's been scanned probably thinks that, Yeah. Oh yeah. but luckily I've never, I mean, I've just had bad days. It's just days that didn't go well, they didn't go anywhere, but I've never had anyone where I was  they were  misleading or.

[00:54:00] They didn't turn out to be who they said they were or anything like that. So I've been lucky in that sense. but I don't know. I feel  maybe this type of activity goes on a lot more restraint people because women probably are more susceptible to, being emotionally manipulated by guys who were giving themselves stories or because women have a natural, I think, inclination to want to like help people. , especially if you're in your thirties, forties, fifties, you're not a spring chicken anymore. And you may be are in your, you've had your first or second marriage, or maybe you've got some kids already, You're at a stage in your life when you just want to be settled down where  you don't, you're not having fun being in the dating phase anymore.

And you just want to  find that person and be  in the relationship phase. And so you're  twisting yourself into a pretzel to make it make sense. Even though it's like, girl, he doesn't have a job, he [00:55:00] doesn't have an apartment. He doesn't have his own car.  what

Nancy: [00:55:05] cat and travel a lot.

That's the answer.

Chris: [00:55:08] Yeah. But, I watch judge Judy every day. Most of the cases on there, the most common cases are women who lent money to men that they were dating. And didn't get it back

Nancy: [00:55:21] shocking.

Chris: [00:55:24] And these dudes have no shame about it.  they really don't and you, and every single one of them they've done it before to other women.

Nancy: [00:55:33] Well, if they were stupid enough to turn their money over. Yeah, of course these guys aren't ashamed about it.

Chris: [00:55:38] Well, I guess, I don't know.

Nancy: [00:55:41] Do you think they really care about looking  a piece of shit? They don't.

Chris: [00:55:47] I that's what I that's what kills me is why you even would agree to come on national television and be exposed as a scammer.

Nancy: [00:55:57] I don't get it either,

Chris: [00:55:58] but [00:56:00] it happens all the time. And the worst one. it's one thing when it's just money, but the worst ones are the women who  co-sign on cars and shit.

Nancy: [00:56:10] That's the dumbest shit. I bet.

Chris: [00:56:14] How could you be so stupid as Chicago sign? First of all, the fact that he needs a co-signer ended up itself tells you that he's not reliable with money because he has bad credit.

So that could have given yourself is a reason to not be a co-signer, but.

Nancy: [00:56:32] But that's when those sob stories come in real handy because his whole family died in a car accident and he had to pay for all the funeral services. So that's why he has bad credit now.

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Episode 2: Amy Cooper, Vanderpump Racists, and COVID19 Dating

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So we are seeing some of these people start to see some consequences for the shit that they're doing. It seems every other week there's a new  Karen video that goes viral, where some white woman is being racist or doing something stupid and she gets doxed and loses her job or worse. and the biggest one that's happened recently is this woman.

Amy Cooper in New York city. I'm gonna play the clip, but, essentially. She, this was on, I believe, Saturday  in central park. and she's a white woman. She was walking her dog. There was a black man named Christian Cooper, no relation who is a birdwatcher now he's like a Marvel star Wars, you know, fanboy geek, who is a birdwatcher on, you know, in his spare time.

And he. Didn't like the fact that she was illegally walking her dog in central park without a leash. And you asked her to put the dog on a leash and she refused. And so he started recording her. And this is what happened.

Nancy: [00:03:43] Wait, stop. Sorry. I'm asking

Chris: [00:03:45] you to stop, please. Don't come close to me, sir. I'm asking you to stop, please.

Don't come, please. Don't come closer, please. Please call the cops. Please call the cops.

Nancy: [00:03:57] I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life.

Chris: [00:04:00] Please tell them whatever you like. I'm sorry. Under the Lambo. And there was a man African American. He has a place he's recording me and threatening me and my dog.

There was an African American man.

Nancy: [00:04:14] He was recording me,

Chris: [00:04:15] written myself and my dog.

Nancy: [00:04:22] I'm sorry, I can't hear who either. I'm thinking threatened by a man

Chris: [00:04:25] and the cops immediately.

I don't know. Yeah. So that's what happened by the way, those, sounds that you get here in the background where the sound of her choking the shit out of her dog and almost killing him probably.

Nancy: [00:04:49] She lost her dog from what I saw in line sheets.

Chris: [00:04:53] And then they got it. She got it back, unfortunately. So

Nancy: [00:04:57] look, I'm just going to say this I'm a white woman.

I don't understand whatever reflex or wiring that all these Karen's have like, Oh, look a black person minding their business. I should get the police involved in this. I just, I don't get barbecue, Becky, the same thing. Like, I don't understand these people are living their lives, leave them alone. Why do you need to get all up in their kitchen?

Leave them alone .They're not bothering you.

Chris: [00:05:25] She was the one who was actually breaking the law. She was in a part of the park where your dogs are not supposed to be awfully issue. And from what I read, there were a lot of other people who recognized her and said, she's does this all the time. Or she brings her dog there and the dog is not an elite.

And so she was on notice that she's not supposed to have her dog unleashed there. And by the way, She had all of her social media has been scrubbed, of course, but, but she, she had an ins, a personal Instagram and an Instagram for her dog. Someone did a, but before she deleted it, they screenshotted all of her posts on her dog's Instagram and almost every fucking week was a different post of, of the dog being injured.

 one week, it would be like, Oh, you know, Sadie fell down the stairs and broke her leg and you see the dog, like with a cast on or, Oh, she choked on something cause I, I lost control of her in the park and you know, I am so happy that I was able to perform the Heimlich and save her. That was the most recent one, I think just before this incident.

Which, by the way, you would think that if you lost control of your dog and she found something in the park and ate it and choked on it, that that would then prompt you to not bring her back to the park without a leash.

Nancy: [00:06:57] Yeah. You're bringing logic to this situation,

Chris: [00:07:00] but there were like a dozen posts like that, about this dog and different injuries.

So it was like, Holy shit. Is this like a fucking gypsy Rose type situation? This is like, Munchausen's by proxy. Is it like a really old dog? I don't, I don't remember

Nancy: [00:07:23] dogs over the years and I could probably count on a couple of fingers. The amount of times they've been like injured, except when they get like old, old, and then it's not even really injured.

It's just, they have different problems that come up. So what kind of. What kind of Michael Vick dog fighting dog

Chris: [00:07:42] either she's abusing the dog. and the injuries are real because clearly no animal gets into this many number of quote unquote accidents this often, or the injuries are fake and she's just using it as way to get attention.

On social media, either way, there's something wrong with her and they should have to taking the dog away and kept it away from her because I just, I don't know. I don't know what the policy is of this particular dog shelter, but given what we saw on the video, I really don't know how they can justify giving the animal back.

Sure. But, would be the guy who, the black guy who is, Who had the police called on him? He's actually very cute. If you want to look them up Christian Cooper, he's like 50 years old, but he's actually hot and like has big muscles, but he, his sister is the one who posted the video. and I think now it's gotten something like 40 million views.

at least on Twitter and that doesn't count how many it got on Facebook and Instagram and on the news. Cause it was everywhere. But what I found, so kind of chilling about that video was she, as a white woman, clearly knew that she had the power of her white woman tears to call the police and say, a black man is threatening me and I need the police.

When it's clear from the video she wasn't being threatened. She wasn't scared. He wasn't doing anything to her. In fact, she was the one walking aggressively toward him and he was telling her don't come close to me. So she knew that if she called the police and said, you know, Oh, this man's recording the, I don't want him to record me.

They'd laugh her off and hang up on her. So instead she said, let me go with what I know will not only get the police to come, but it will get them to come with the guns blazing and they will show up all riled up and ready to pull out their guns and shoot them and have this extreme reaction to him.

When they arrive here, she wanted him to be terrorized. She wanted him to be terrified of the consequences of daring to challenge a white woman.

Nancy: [00:10:03] What do you think she was expecting him to say?

Chris: [00:10:07] I think that he would acquiesce and genuinely be afraid of what would happen if you stuck around and just leave.

Nancy: [00:10:15] I love with confidence in his voice when he says, please do

Chris: [00:10:19] they did. And they both did end up leaving the scene. And I believe once the police got there, neither of them were there. So nothing. So no action was taken, but, You know, imagine how differently that could have gone. Had they showed up thinking that this woman was being, you know, assaulted or worse by this man.

How many times do you think people show up and assume that a black person, particularly a black man is the aggressor or is the, or, you know, take for granted that they've done something wrong and respond accordingly? I mean, I've seen in the past couple of weeks, numerous cases where the black people are the ones who actually called the police because white people were doing something to them.

And when the police showed up, they arrested them without asking questions, they just arrested the black person. So the, at the very end of that video, I'm going to play that part again. But the very end of the video, you can hear her ratchet up the drama. And all of a sudden start crying, fake crying, and it's, it's kind of chilling just to see how quickly she goes into that.

Nancy: [00:11:41] I'm sorry. I can't hear who either.

Chris: [00:11:43] I think threatened by a man immediately.

I don't know. I mean, Are you a sociopath seriously? Like she should get a fucking Academy award for that performance. Nothing was happening to her. So what, why the app, why this whole, because she knew what it meant. She knew what it meant to be a white woman in trouble. You remember that scene from scary movie where Sydney or whatever the character's name was that aunt Ana has played.

Cindy, she is on her computer wanting help and she types in a white woman in trouble. And all of a sudden, a millisecond later, all the police show up with like the SWAT teams and firetrucks and helicopters and every fucking thing else. I mean, it's funny. But it, it reflects the reality. And, you know, there were, there have been thousands upon thousands of black men who have been murdered over the course of time in the name of some white woman in trouble.

And it's just really scary to see that it's still just as effective today as it's ever been. And by the way, Because so many white Democrats and white liberals want to say every time they see some form of racism. Oh, it's Trump. It's Trump. It's a, it's a Republican, it's a Trump supporter. It's a maggot person.

Actually. Amy Cooper is a Northeastern white, liberal Democrat who supported, Progressive's progressive politicians like Zephyr Teachout. It was, she had posted that type of stuff on her Instagram before it was deleted. So let's not pretend that racism is something that's only found on the Republican side, because I can guarantee you that black people, if you actually talk to them and listen, they will tell you about racism.

They've experienced from white people in the North and the South and the East and the West in rural America, in suburban America, in the big cities. It's everywhere. And so stop trying to minimize the issue and trying to absolve yourself and your friends and your family and your neighbors from this issue by claiming that it only happens in the South or that it only happens.

It's only Republicans. No, it's not actually. And so this is something that everybody needs to be talking about, but, So, you know, that was the most egregious one, but there've been so many others that have happened. there was just one, the other day where a Hispanic man was, I believe writing black lives in that, or in chalk, on his own property, in a very wealthy neighborhood in San Francisco.

And, this white couple came up to him and started harassing him. And telling him, you know, you don't live here. Can you just stop writing that? We know the owners you need to leave. We're going to call the police, which they did. And the guy saying, I don't owe you any explanations. You don't know the owners.

You don't know if I own this house or not. It has nothing to do with you. Leave me alone, go away. And they continue sitting there harassing him. They did call the police. The police came. And I don't even think the police got out of their car. They just basically did a drive by and was like, peace. This is some bullshit.

But it turns out that in fact, this Hispanic man that they were harassing was in fact the homeowner. And so they clearly didn't know the person who owned the house. Like they claimed they did. And just yesterday, the woman. Involved. It was found out that she was the she's the CEO of some big maker, not big, but some makeup company called like LaFace, makeup or whatever.

And her, the, the, the website for her makeup line crossed the, she deleted that the company's Instagram and it appears that the only like real business. That her company had was with Birchbox and Birchbox terminated her contract. Her entire business basically just went under overnight. And then I just read this morning that her husband was fired as well from whatever job he had.

So good luck affording the mortgage and not expensive as house in San Francisco bitch, because you don't have a job. You neither of you have jobs and. that Hispanic guy that you were harassing is

laughing. Getting to some on, on this issue of keratins and white people calling the police on me for another glass of wine on this shit. Yes. So let's move on to talking about what is happening. With this cast of Vanderpump rules. Yeah. Vanderpump rules. If you don't know, is a reality show on Bravo, that is if you've ever seen the Hills or Laguna beach, imagine that, but set in a couple of restaurants in West Hollywood

Nancy: [00:17:17] where STDs,

Chris: [00:17:19] right?

Yes. It's based on a woman named Lisa Vanderpump who was a housewife. On real Housewives of Beverly Hills was a housewife. She's not on it anymore. And she is a wealthy white lady in Beverly Hills who owned several restaurants. She and her husband, re I think she owns three restaurants, Villa Blanca.

Sir. And, now new one named Tom, Tom, I'm sorry. No, then there's also, so for, but only, two of those restaurants really show up when Vanderpump rules. sir, and Tom, Tom, and this show basically follows the staff and you've seen some people and go over the years. Some of them leaves. Some come back.

but it's essentially a bunch of young people who are drunk and, you know, 35 year olds acting like they're 16, sleeping with each other, getting into fights, and just really petty, immature drama that is mindless fun to watch you're drunk. It's a Saturday. Do you got nothing else to do? Yes. Two of the cast members on this show, Stasi and Kristin were two white women who are well I'm actually, it was kind of confused because this the most recent season ends, but they're not being friends.

So I don't know how, I don't know what happened since then, but, the whole show is white people. Basically. There's only one. A black cast member that's ever been on. I think her name is faith. She was only, only like a couple of episodes. And there were some big controversy with her, you know, a while back because she slept with.

This guy named Jax, who was in a relationship with another girl named Brittany. And it was a whole sorted thing because apparently she was like taking care of some elderly person or something. And she brought Jack over to have sex, like in the elderly person's house, like while she was supposed to be taking care of them.

And it was just a whole mess, but so, you know, faith, isn't exactly an angel, but nobody knows, nor is anybody else on the show. They all. They all sleep with each other, cheat on their spouses with, with their best friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, everything else says what it's all about, but they don't like faith and they've never treated her very well over the years.

So apparently, and maybe, you know, more about this tour than I do Nancy, but maybe, there, there was a woman who was wanted by the police. and I don't know what she was wanted for, you know, Burglary

Nancy: [00:20:02] I believe.

Chris: [00:20:03] Okay. Yeah. So there was some burglary that happened and I guess the police had an image of her.

the only image I saw was like black and whites. Maybe it was like a night vision video or something,

essentially Kristin and Stasi decided to call the police and tell them that the woman in the video that they were looking for was wanted for this burglary was their castmates face. And you can look up the picture, but I've seen it and it doesn't look anything like her. You can clearly tell. I mean, I've only seen the girl a couple of times on the show and I can tell this is not her.

So clearly people who actually know her in real life and interact with her face to face can tell that isn't her. But I guess they, because they don't like her, they were just being bitchy mean, girls. And decided they were going to call the police and tell them that this was the person they were looking for.

Nancy: [00:21:00] And I don't know, Jax was tweeting all over the place about how she's wanted for grand theft auto. And she went AWOL from the military when she got her stint on whatever that new MTV show was that she got on. I don't really watch one too, but when she got on that new show, Jax was blowing her up via Twitter.

Like that's probably not smart, you know? To go on a reality show, you know, after you've committed all these grinds, like, Whoa.

Chris: [00:21:28] Yeah. Jackson's a pretty terrible person. if you, if you don't watch the show, I mean, it's, it's almost like dealing with a, like a West Hollywood version of Donald Trump. Like he's, he's, Grace's, he's homophobic, he's a narcissist, he's an idiot.

He is just, I mean, he like, backstabs every single one of his friends. He has no loyalty to anyone. He's just an awful, awful. And I don't know why anyone remains friends with him. I don't know why Brittany remains married to him. Well

Nancy: [00:22:02] there's theories on the subreddit that he has some significant dirt on like shorts and Sandoval.

And that's why they will not like betray him is because he apparently has some sort of crazy receipts that they really don't know out, which I can't imagine anyone having anything on me that I would be like, I'm going to tolerate this for years. I'd be like, just leak it. I don't care.

Chris: [00:22:25] Yeah. Well, I mean, what could it be?

I mean, every, every terrible thing that there could be has happened on this show already

Nancy: [00:22:33] gone into his, replies ever on Twitter.

Chris: [00:22:36] I have never even been on Jackson's Twitter page.

Nancy: [00:22:40] He's very nasty to anyone that makes any sort of comment, like someone on Reddit the other day, compiled, like there's new Instagram accounts starting up like accountability for Staffie cancel Jack Taylor.

Yeah. All this stuff, is being posted and it's just. Whoever these Reddit people are like, God, I love the internet. Whoever these Reddit people are that are going through and just compiling massive photo albums of receipts of him, like saying awful, like. Transphobic mean-spirited comments to people that they're not even adding him when they say it.

They're just saying like, yeah. Episode, I think whatever. And he's like, you're

Chris: [00:23:25] pimply

Nancy: [00:23:26] face you stupid loser. Like he all the time, whenever it's a dude and it's like, his profile picture is him and a woman. It's like, Oh yeah. So you had to get a beard. And I don't mean the facial hair, obviously like. Just if you ever, I mean, I can't go through his replies anymore.

Cause I'm blocked. He can see just the wait, why do you

Chris: [00:23:47] lost? You

Nancy: [00:23:49] tweeted a negative comment.

Chris: [00:23:52] Wait for that. How would

Nancy: [00:23:54] he know? So now I just have to rely on Reddit for my Jax Taylor updates.

Chris: [00:23:59] Yeah. Open up his Twitter in an incognito tab. Ooh,

Nancy: [00:24:05] I'm

Chris: [00:24:06] I'm, that's weird. Sure.

Nancy: [00:24:07] That's how I

Chris: [00:24:08] have to see back in McCain's tweets because she blows, Oh my God.

Nancy: [00:24:12] All I do on Twitter is hit retweet. That's the only, I rarely ever, I think the last thing I actually tweeted said that it made sense that all my Instagram ads were for therapy or golf, clothing smell. Like I don't really. I just pop on there, but Reddit's doing all their homework and,

Chris: [00:24:27] yeah, the sleuths are insane.

I mean, they, I went on there the other day because I was like, I knew what had happened with Brit, with Kristen and Stasi. but they were also talking about, Oh, Lala needs to be fired. Brittany needs to be fired. Jackson needs to be off fired.

Nancy: [00:24:43] Oh, they started a massive thread, like with screenshots and links to everything for every single person.

And the crazy thing too, because I don't know if you saw this, did you see that Stasi mother contacted Bravo and like begged for her job back and then tried to start a hashtag of like stand up for Stasi and then stasis little brother apparently did a whole Instagram video about. Why she should be forgiven.

And it was so long ago and that's not really who she is. I mean, this is really some white lady shit. My mom to call my job.

Chris: [00:25:22] Yeah. And your little brother, I mean, that's just disgusting.

Nancy: [00:25:27] Well, and now she's pregnant and they got that big

Chris: [00:25:29] house, right? Yeah. So she's, she just announced the other day that she hadn't Bo are pregnant with child.

And on this, on this season of show, at the end of the season, they buy a house, which I'm certain that they can't afford without money from Bravo. So. I don't know what the hell I'm on

Nancy: [00:25:46] Instagram. They're screenshotting all the people who've made form letters on Reddit for you to send to the entire contact list of all the people that they do, like sponsored ads and stuff for, and now people are going on the subreddit and screenshotting back responses from the company where they're like, That's that's correct.

This is not an indicative of our morals or our company's values. We've ended our partnership with Stasi. Like her PR firm dropped her Kristen's book, just got dropped, which I don't know who would be reading a book about. Dating advice or men from, I mean, don't get me wrong. I have not, I'm not known for making wise choices with men either, but Jesus, I can't imagine what kind of shenanigans is in that book.

Chris: [00:26:34] Yeah.

First fo all, I highly doubt she even wrote it. So we've got, so CA Christina saucy were fired. Let's make that clear. They were, they were fired from the show and, also to other cast members, you know, Kristen and Stasi were original cast members. Like from the first season the show has been on, I think like how many years? Seven years. Eight years.

Yeah. But Christian doesn't even

Nancy: [00:26:58] work at Sur anymore. So I was always confused why she was still in the mix,

Chris: [00:27:02] but so there's, but there's two other cast members who are brand new. Max and Brett who were also fired in the same, firing as saucy and Kristen, because of tweets that they had made, that were racist.

And I, and I think there were sexist ones as well, and probably homophobic. I mean, it's probably, there's probably the whole gamut of bigotry on their feeds, but all

Nancy: [00:27:26] of these they're just double dipping.

Chris: [00:27:31] Change it up. But the people had in the course of the season, discovered these tweets from max and Brett.

And they were, I mean, they were tweets from before they were on the show, but people expose them, you know, after they popped up on, on, on this show as new cast members. And what I find interesting is will they be interested in cause not the right word, but they address. The tweets from max and Brett on the reunion, on the Vanderpump rules reunion, they devoted maybe 30 seconds to talking about it.

And Andy was basically like, well, so do you guys want to say anything about this? And they give like some half-assed half-baked apology and that was it. And then they just move on. And I think Lisa said something like, you know, I wasn't aware of this and you know, this was before they were working for me.

And, you know, I know them personally and I don't think that they're racist and blah, blah, blah. And

Nancy: [00:28:33] cause that's how it works.

Chris: [00:28:34] Right. And. So I'm confused. So I guess it's only now because of these protests that are happening, that suddenly Bravos decided to get woke and not tolerate racism. Hm. Interesting.

Well, you

Nancy: [00:28:49] know how the Kristin and Stasi thing came out. Right?

Chris: [00:28:53] Well, that's what I was going to ask was, I didn't know if did faith expose them or did they admit publicly that they called the police on her?

Nancy: [00:29:01] So. And I probably should have looked this up. I can't remember. It's another MTV of like personality was doing an Instagram live and faith, whatever MTV show that she did on, I guess that's how she knows this check.

So they were doing an Instagram live and she, you just spilled all that tea on Instagram live and then it immediately got picked up. Like, I'm pretty sure there were unions were already filmed when this happened.

It

Chris: [00:29:29] was like, which faith know that it was them who called the police.

Nancy: [00:29:33] Because Stasi was sharing that information in an interview that faith overheard on a podcast, where the episode has now been deleted, but she was talking about it about like that.

Yeah, I think it was called like the bitch Bible or something, just some podcast and the person that runs that podcast issued a statement, but, on Instagram, But, yeah, it's just because faith happened to be on this Instagram live and they were talking about black lives matter and everything that's going on.

And she talked about what it was like to be the only person of color. she talked about how Lisa Vanderpump told her to try to be like Nini leaks.

Chris: [00:30:13] Oh my God. Are you fucking serious? Yeah. Oh my God. Aye. Aye.

Nancy: [00:30:22] Sounds like I'm going to be shorted some articles tonight. That's what Lisa told her that she said it was important that, you know, what's diverse, but just try to act like, try to bring some color to the show.

Try to be like me.

Chris: [00:30:35] Oh my God. I mean, that's like when black actresses go in for an audition and they're like, mom, we need you to be more urban. Can you do it again? But can you just be more. Street, which of course they, but they basically mean you're not black enough. They want you to make it black or they want you to be more stereotypical and be their idea of what a black person is.

So for Lisa Vanderpump to say something like that, I mean, obviously, you know, if it's true, it's pretty terrible. But, the, I just, I think it's interesting that these are things that happened and. They didn't really seem to care that much about it until all of a sudden racial justice became, you know, in the Zeit Geist.

And now they want to do all these firings, but I want to address one thing quickly before we move on that, because this is not stasis first rodeo with racism. She has her own podcast. I forget what it's called.

Nancy: [00:31:36] Well, good luck finding it now, girl.

Chris: [00:31:40] Yeah, no, she's she's wherever her podcast is, is, or was it's no longer running, but, she had this podcast and there was a podcast episode she did when Moonlight won the Oscar.

And it was, it got controversy at the time they discussed it on the show. I guess she did some, you know, apology  I'm sorry, if you were offended, apologies. And it got swept under the rug and they kept it pushing, but I just think it's interesting that now all of a sudden Bravo cares about racism when this is what Stasi was saying.

not too long ago,

Nancy: [00:32:25] I'm going to offend a lot of people right now, but I'm going to do it in a way where I hope that people don't get offended.

Chris: [00:32:30] I'm like really sick of everyone

Nancy: [00:32:32] making everything about race.

Chris: [00:32:34] Yeah,

Nancy: [00:32:34] like I'm kind of over it.

Chris: [00:32:36] And I know that I am the one person. Who's not allowed to say that because I am

Nancy: [00:32:40] white privileged blonde, 28 year old.

So I get that. I'm saying it.

Chris: [00:32:46] I know, but I have a podcast

Nancy: [00:32:49] and

Chris: [00:32:50] it's an outlet

Nancy: [00:32:50] to say what I think. And if you don't want, like what I think what I have to say, then

Chris: [00:32:55] you don't have to listen to it.

Nancy: [00:32:55] You can turn it off and, or unfollow me, whatever, whatever,

Chris: [00:32:58] but like,

Nancy: [00:32:59] Everyone giving their impassioned speeches about

Chris: [00:33:02] race and all of that stuff.

I'm like, why is it

Nancy: [00:33:05] always

Chris: [00:33:06] just about African Americans? Like,

Nancy: [00:33:08] why aren't the Asians being like, we're not represented

Chris: [00:33:11] why aren't like, I

Nancy: [00:33:12] don't know, like native Americans and Latinos being like, we're not represented.

Chris: [00:33:16] Why is it that they're like, it's always just that. And then like whenever they get up.

Then everybody has to go above and beyond to then make them

Nancy: [00:33:24] happy. And I hate saying a word to them, cause I'm not, not, not,

Chris: [00:33:29] not everybody's the same.

Nancy: [00:33:31] So I get, I mean,

Chris: [00:33:31] the ones that are like out there bitching about things, because it's not, I don't think people aren't

Nancy: [00:33:38] being

Chris: [00:33:38] nominated because of their skin color.

Nancy: [00:33:40] Maybe you weren't

Chris: [00:33:41] nominated last year cause you didn't do that.

Nancy: [00:33:43] Great. Yeah,

Chris: [00:33:44] we got it. So yeah. And that was 2017, by the way, that podcast episode air.

Nancy: [00:33:58] Yeah, with the, like maybe your movie. Wasn't that good? Oh, you mean there's so many black films that come out every year with predominantly. You know, casting people of color, like the thought that it was just like that all those movies are there.

They were just like shittily made like, no, there is no representation. That's the whole point of why people were

Chris: [00:34:20] upset. Yeah. That she's saying basically what she's doing is she's being racist, but she's trying to disguise her racism by saying, Oh, it's not the fact that I'm upset that they're. I'm talking about racism.

It's the fact that why is it only about black people and not about, you know, Asians and Latinos and native Americans? Why aren't they speaking up as well? Well, guess what bitch, they have been

Nancy: [00:34:46] parasite. Just one best movie. Last

Chris: [00:34:50] been for many, many years. You weren't aware of it because you weren't, you didn't care.

You weren't looking, you weren't listening, but for you to try to sit there and, you know, hide behind. It's really just that I don't understand why there's so much attention about black people specifically, as opposed to other races, when really you just don't want people to be talking about race period, because you don't care because you're a racist and.

Just the, the level of tone, deafness, the level of ignorance, the level of narcissism, it just it's it's truly mind blowing, but, you know, so that, that clip from her podcast episode started getting circulated again, after she got fired for this other infraction by calling the police. But it's like, okay, well, You didn't take action then when she clearly outed herself as a racist.

And although I do think that was the season when she got phased out of the show, but I think, I don't remember if that was because that was, she left LA then to go marry her boyfriend, who she was living with. I don't remember.

Nancy: [00:36:00] Well, they didn't get married. They were just. Was that the shitty one?

Chris: [00:36:05] Yeah. I forget the guy's name, but the one who, when she came back to the show, they were together and then their relationship was a fucking disaster.

Yeah. And he like said all these offensive things to Lisa

Nancy: [00:36:16] about her ass.

Chris: [00:36:18] Yeah. Yeah. Which I think she, he was like her meal ticket basically. And so once they. Once they broke up, it was like, well, she got to come crawling back to Vanderbilt.

So, moving into her on the couch segment for today. We're still dealing with the fallout of COVID-19 shockingly. Now, even though it's meant July and we started this ship back in March. so yeah, a lot of our States shut down. A lot of them opened back up,

Nancy: [00:37:12] a lot. We're going to shut down.

Chris: [00:37:14] Yes.

Shutting down again. and I mean, it's still a bad situation out there. I think places like Florida, Arizona, a couple of other States, there are literally now having to turn people away from emergency rooms because they don't have any space anymore. Cause they've, they've, they've run out of ICU space and now they're using beds in the emergency room as a makeshift ICU.

So. If you've got a broken leg, if you,

yeah. Good luck. but so w so there's a lot of people still in the midst of fight quarantining, and which, by the way, if you're traveling to New York, From any of the, these messy States that still have all these reflections, you have to do a mandatory orientation for 14 days after coming here. just FYI.

so the question is how have people been dealing with trying to date during COVID-19? I mean, this hasn't been this isn't like a quick process. It's been since more. I think, I think it was mid March when. The lockdown started. And so what do you do if like you meet someone on a dating app, you, you know, start talking, texting, maybe you even went out on a date or two before the whole thing started.

what do you do and how, how do you, how would you date when you can't leave your

Nancy: [00:38:48] fucking out? I definitely early on in quarantine, I was like, bored. Not really. I can only watch all these different movies or shows so many times. Maybe I should just read, download the dating apps and troll dudes for funny screenshots that I can send to my friends.

So I read downloaded the dating apps, and I even went as far to do like quote unquote Skype first dates, which you want to talk about cringe central, Yeah, where it's just me awkwardly sitting there. Oh yeah. I'm not a video chat thing. I don't like if I could meet men in the dark, I like that's the upside about the whole COVID-19 thing is when they asked to put the bag on my head.

Now it's not because of my face. It's for safety. but I, I was like, well, let me just see what's out there. Everyone's bored. Everyone's losing their minds. Let's just see if obviously people are home and like, Want to talk, which is honestly, that was one of my favorite things about Gordon Dean talking to people.

Like, I don't know why he hasn't texted me back, girl. Everyone's at home. Okay. He don't want to talk to you, text him,

Chris: [00:39:58] right? Like there's no, there's no excuses. Yeah.

Nancy: [00:40:01] He's not at the movies. He's not, you know. but I did a couple of Skype dates, which were sufficiently awkward. but I have a friend who.

Met this guy on a dating app, they got along really well back and forth, texting phone calls, all this stuff. And she just said, all right, I'm going to go pack a bag and quarantine with him for 14 days. So can you imagine your first, like in real life date being a 14 day quarantine, she like took her dog with her

Chris: [00:40:34] my card.

Nancy: [00:40:36] Yeah. And then I have, I have another person. Who is talking to someone, not from a dating app, but someone that they met online on it, like video gaming thing. And this person lives in Alabama and she is contemplating right now, crossing multiple state lines for them to meet.

Chris: [00:40:55] She lives in Alabama or the guidance the

Nancy: [00:40:58] guy does.

She lives here on the East coast.

Chris: [00:41:01] Gotcha. So, and so they were, how long were they talking before? She just was like, I'm driving cross country

Nancy: [00:41:13] a month. The thing though, I can't shade it too much because my current boyfriend and I met amidst the apocalypse because it would take the apocalypse for me to find a man that'll stick around.

but we face timed every day for like 34 days straight. And then when we made the decision to meet it was we are going to quarantine and be responsible. And if you turn out to be an asshole, I there's a holiday in nearby. Very lovely. you can go stay there. but it, ours luckily worked out well, but I can't wait to hear some of the train wreck stories coming out of people who I showed up to quarantine with him.

And I'm on the second day I found out like, you know, he. He shits the bed or like just something ridiculous or like, yeah, I got there and he had a really extensive doll collection. Like the ones that are just going to be so out of left field.

Chris: [00:42:08] Yeah. Well, so she, so she did actually drive to Alabama. She

Nancy: [00:42:18] did.

And

Chris: [00:42:21] what happened?

Nancy: [00:42:23] TBD? Haven't heard back hope you're out there, girl.

Chris: [00:42:29] Yeah.

Nancy: [00:42:30] I mean,

Chris: [00:42:32] GPS tracking on

Nancy: [00:42:35] me

Chris: [00:42:35] find my iPhone share

Nancy: [00:42:38] ETA. I'm assuming it went well. I haven't talked to her since, before she, right before she left, so I don't know. But. That's I guess that's part of this whole new normal is right. I mean,

Chris: [00:42:54] so it's like, we don't know when, I mean, when this whole thing first happened.

I think we all assumed that it was going to be like, okay, we're locked down for, you know, a couple of weeks a month or so. And then things were going to go back to normal. I don't think any of us anticipated that it was going to be like, Okay. It's July and we're still, I, my thought was by July is when things were going to finally start hoping opening back up and going back to normal.

But here we are, and that's true in a sense that everything started opening back up, but now it's all happening again. So, so our single people supposed to just not date indefinitely until. Until, you know, because what do you do you, I will say in New York, at least, I don't know how it is in other places that are dealing with the lockdown.

I mean, New York, I think has been the most. I'm responsible and thank God for governor Cuomo. Who's like not giving a shit about political pressure at all. And it's just like, we're not opening things back up until the numbers are right until we're doing it like safely and correctly. And so if you have a problem with it, Chuck, my dad, but.

here in New York, I just met someone yesterday, a professional colleague for a drink. And, there's no indoor dining here in New York. So you have to do, you know, outdoor dining. so there, there at least there's that you can like meet someone for coffee or for a drink outside. but

Nancy: [00:44:27] have they shut down streets up near by you?

Chris: [00:44:31] They haven't the only streets they've shut down, so to speak are, they've certain streets they've they've narrowed because they're using part of the street to help extend the, outside diet.

Nancy: [00:44:45] Yeah. They shut down multiple streets, like in Baltimore, because all these businesses weren't equipped to have outdoor dining beforehand, and now they kind of just have to adjust.

Chris: [00:44:56] Right. Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, in New York outside dining was kind of already a thing. So most, most of the restaurants already had some outside dining, but obviously they weren't prepared to give up all of their inside space. So they need more space in order to accommodate the customers. But, so it's like, okay, so you're, you're swiping back and forth on tender or on OkCupid or whatever.

And. You you're both in quarantine. And I mean, I guess it's normal that in this sort of thing, you, you text her awhile or get her talk on the out per rent before you meet up. But. I mean, I guess some people just get straight to the point and I suppose just,

Nancy: [00:45:46] I think it almost expedites the whole process now.

Right? Because you have people that are out of work, so they have all this time and attention that they can give you via texting or, you know, video chatting. so it almost feels like things move a little. Faster because you normally write, Oh, I match with this guy. We're going to text a little bit. We're going to go on a date next week.

And then, you know, maybe a week after that, we go out again. But now it's like, well, no, one's going anywhere. We have nothing going on. So if you want to video chat again tonight, like, what

Chris: [00:46:18] are you doing right again, I guess that's a good point. I mean, normally like. When I meet someone on a dating app, I tend to not go too far into the conversation because I'm like, cause I'm really bad at small talk and I'm really bad at per stage.

So I don't want to like say too much in the online conversation because then I'm like, well, shit. Then we have nothing to talk about when we actually meet. So I'm usually one of those people who's very much like. As soon as I kind of feel you out and can tell that you're like not a psycho and you're normal.

And I like you, I'm like, let's set a date for coffee, but, or, you know, drinks, but in this situation you would just have to keep talking online or, or switch to text or FaceTime or whatever. that's so awkward. Like maybe I'm weird, but I like. These timing with someone that I've never at before. And don't know, I just think that's so odd.

I mean, a first date is already awkward enough, but to do it virtually.

Nancy: [00:47:25] Yeah. But you don't have to drive now, so you can really get blasted at the house.

Chris: [00:47:29] Well, I'm in New York, so we never drive anyway, but so that's never an issue. But, and then, I mean to think that there's people who are like, Hey, I just met you let quarantine together for 14 days.

I mean, this is some forensic files type shit. Unsolved mysteries, bitch.

 do you tell your friends like, Hey, I'm going to stay at this guy's house for 14 days. I don't return. This is where I am.

Nancy: [00:48:05] well, I mean, even before COVID I was sending out first name, last name, address, you know, headshot, like everything. Whenever I went out with someone.

So it was like, guys, if you find my body in a ditch here, so I was wet. I do think that, like, in my situation, I wasn't gonna bring up doing FaceTime first because the quarantine snack struggle is very real. So I was like, they'll just put off the video, chatting. But it was a lot of like very heavy texting because, you know, I'd finish my Workday and then I'd just be bullshit on the couch and can't really go anywhere.

Cause I've tried to take it very seriously and only go out when I absolutely have to. so it was a lot of texting. And then after I'm going to say it was maybe a week of pretty consistent communication throughout the day and into the night he brought up, I want to have a FaceTime date. I was like, Yeah, I, my, my liquor is stocked. I can make that work and it wasn't as awkward as I thought it was going to be. Now the Skype date that I did, where I had talked to that guy for, I don't know, like four hours on one of the apps. And he was like, yes, look, we should have a drink tonight over Skype. And I was like, well, I'm not doing anything.

And the cat's kind of busy right now, so sure. That one was very awkward and he launched into like, ex-girlfriend chat really quickly and talked about how, like he's going to Harris Teeter later and they better have fucking frozen pizza. And I was like, Oh, okay. I think it's just kind of how you match with a person.

Right? Like obviously there's still duds out there. It's not like coronavirus brought all the good men out of the woodwork, but it was a. It was very awkward with some, but with my thing, it didn't feel awkward. I think if you have enough texting and like good back and forth upfront, then the FaceTime isn't as awkward.

But if it's like, you're struggling to keep the text chain alive. Yeah. That FaceTime is going to be trash.

Chris: [00:50:05] Yeah. I think things are better now for the most part, but there was a long period of time when. The grocery stores were depleted and you couldn't fucking find anything.

Like I remember there was a period of like two to three weeks where I was like, I literally am going to be out of toilet paper and like a day. And every time I send an Instacart person to every single store, they tell me there's none left and I don't know what I'm going to do. so to have somebody, I mean, I I've heard stories of, There's apparently a lot of like women who will go on a tender or whatever, and they have no intention of actually like really dating the guy or sleeping with him or whatever.

It's just literally to get like free meals. And so I'm like, what if, what if you have these people who are like orienting mooches who are just like, Hey, I can come over and stay in your house for 14 days. And. Eat up all your food and live off. You're like, yeah, like you'd drink up all your booze and then bounce.

Nancy: [00:51:14] Well, fuck for Clorox wipes.

Chris: [00:51:20] but yeah. And then, so what happens if it's like you decide to quarantine together and then three days in. You're like, nah, this ain't working out, but you're stuck.

Nancy: [00:51:34] That's why I was like, let's be very clear. You're coming to my fucking house. Like, I'm sure your gig is great, but if I'm going to be comfortable with us being this goddamn reckless during a pandemic that we're actually going to meet each other, you're coming to my place and.

We'll figure it out from there. And then we did have, yeah. But then with your

Chris: [00:51:56] place that you can't, you can't control whether they leave, at least if you're their place, you can be like, Hmm, this isn't working deuces.

Nancy: [00:52:05] I know where all the knives are in that place. That

Chris: [00:52:10] that's how I am when it comes well.

Yeah, that, that's how I am when it comes to like, even just regular. Like casual hookups or whatever. Like I prefer to go to their place because I don't, I just, the thing is so awkward when you want them to leave you. And you're like, I don't want to be rude by saying, I need you to get out.

Nancy: [00:52:30] Oh, I see. Now I've missing that gene.

I have no problem being rude. If I don't want you in my house, I'm going to say, get the fuck out of my house.

But we did talk and build up like a contingency plan of. A, like the FaceTiming has been great and the texting has been great and we've seem to really be, you know, clicking and connecting well, but if shit goes sideways, you're going to leave. Here's the hotels in the area that are still open because I called ahead to check.

And that was just our plan. Yeah. But thankfully it didn't come to that. but yeah, but it's such a weird. Conversation to have before you've even been like you've technically met them, right? Like you've had how many hours of phone calls and texting. And like, you've gotten to know this person, but you've never physically seen them in real life.

So it's such a weird, like, you know them, but you don't. And then

Chris: [00:53:23] what happened? Did you end up getting catfish or lower? Well, actually here's my other question about catfishing. Is it accurate to say that someone's cat fishing, if they are using, if the photos they're using are of themselves, but they're completely misleading.

That's what I would like to know. I asked this question on my Twitter and there was a huge divide. Like if you're using like, there's someone in particular whose name I'm not going to use, but a pretty, a pretty well known person on Twitter, who people were taking his. Various profile photos. He's used on Twitter over the years and comparing to what shows up when you Google image him.

And they're like, and they're like, y'all, this is catfish. This is literally catfishing. Cause he looks in the, these photos that he's putting his press, his profile photos are technically him, but they're so misleading in terms of what he actually looks like. But, no. So like what happens if you. If they show up to your door with their like fucking sleeping bag in there, they heard, you know, pillow and they're like, Hey, I'm ready for quarantine.

And they're like, wait.

Nancy: [00:54:35] again, this is why they come to my place because I'm an open them blinds. And if you don't like your fucking photo, I don't have to open that door

Chris: [00:54:43] and

Nancy: [00:54:43] drag your ass back onto the fucking road and have a blessed day. But no, see, this is again, bring them to your place. I don't have to open that door,

Chris: [00:54:54] looking through the fucking blinds like mrs.

Kravitz from Bewitched.

Nancy: [00:54:59] So here's my thing with. Like if you're saying this dudes photo that his was his profile picture, but it was him like 200 pounds ago to me, that's catfishing, right? Like, unless it's a throwback Thursday, post honey, you should put some shit that's at least more recent or indicative of how you currently look.

So whenever. Whenever I was on the apps because I would constantly go through, like, these apps are garbage. I'm just going to delete all of them. And then, you know, hop, skip, and three weeks later I'd read, download. but I would always try when I would read, download them to have a picture that was at least.

Like a couple months old. Right. We all have certain pictures of ourselves that we love, that we tend to reuse over and over, but I would always try to just throw in one, like, okay, so here's the most recent picture of me. This is from a month ago or two months ago. So this is what I really look like. So I don't come across.

Like, I feel like it is catfishing, even if it's pictures of you, but if it doesn't, it's not accurate for how you currently look, your photos wouldn't be yours.

Chris: [00:56:05] I mean, but what.

Sorry, we're getting candy. What is the cutoff for how old? I mean, I have, I have a photo of that. My profile photo on Twitter right now, which is from when we went to Hawaii in January of 2019. Yeah, which was a year and a half ago. Now I use that photo because I like, and it's very, I mean, it's old in the sense that it's a year and a half old is mostly reflective of how I look now though.

I probably gained a little bit of weight during quarantine, but like,

Nancy: [00:56:55] no, I just saw you. You still look just like that.

Chris: [00:57:02] Like what the cutoff. Or I guess, I mean, I mean, if you're like, what if you're using like a five year old photo that still mostly resembles what you look like now? Is that okay

Nancy: [00:57:16] to me? That's okay. Yeah. So to me, it's like, if I have a photo of me where I was 60 pounds lighter, And I'm using that as my main profile picture on a dating app, specifically, not social media, cause I'm kinda mad with social media, but specifically for dating apps.

If I have a picture of me where I was 60 pounds lighter, and I'm using that as my main or my only photo, that to me is very misleading and that's catfishing also. I think if you have like you've drastically changed your hair or like any, any. You know, deep swings with your appearance. I feel like that's when the picture kind of becomes null and void because I have a picture of myself from that same trip and I did use that on the dating apps, but I would also try to put whatever the most recent photo of me was.

That was always the first photo, even if I didn't think it was the best photo of me.

Chris: [00:58:15] Yeah. I mean , I have  some very old photos. That I use on dating apps. but I also have, I also have ones that are very recent, so I just kind of, I'm like, let me just run the gamut of all my photos and you can decide based on the totality of the clips.

Well,

Nancy: [00:58:37] I think the other thing too is we are not like, we're not like selfie people. Right. So like, I always try to, this is going to sound so terrible, but when I first downloaded Tinder back in 2015, my one of my guy friends in LA was like walking me through it. He was like, first picture it, make it a good picture of your face.

Second picture got to be full body. So we know you're not 400 pounds. And I was like, that's the meanest shit I've ever, but it was so hard for me to find. Like full length, complete photos of me by myself, because I don't take pictures of myself and times where I'm in pictures and you can see my full body.

It's I'm at a wedding with an ex boyfriend, or, you know, I'm in some huge group picture and who wants to be the girl that uploads the group picture. So the

Chris: [00:59:27] guy has to go, Jesus grows. Which one is she?

Nancy: [00:59:28] So that's a struggle too with dating apps. I do have some selfies on there, but it's so rare that I ever take pictures of myself.

So I only had them for the dating apps. So some of the older ones I had, which would show my body type more, I felt like I couldn't use them because they were too old or there were too many people in the photo.

Chris: [00:59:51] Yeah. I mean, I, I don't think I have any full body photo. I mean, I have ones where you can see, you know, my neck and my shoulders and maybe my little bit of my chest, but.

I mean, it's enough to see that I'm not just like a skinny had with like we're booking, like fucking what's her name? the girlfriend, Charlie and photography factory, who they had to like roll out of their own balloons.

Nancy: [01:00:19] Oh, violet Overgaard violet, violet, violet.

Chris: [01:00:26] but yeah, I don't think, I can't even think of a single picture of myself.

That's a full. Body for like, I, I can't, I just cause even, even group photos, even all the group photos that I've taken from several from the past, however many years, they're all like selfies we took where it was just the top halves.

Nancy: [01:00:49] So I will tell you out of the, the man I spoke to on the apps during the beginning of quarantine, Cause of course.

And I don't know if this is just like, maybe it's just a straight people thing that we do this, but we always talk about how garbage, like the interactions have been on the app. That's, that's usually discussed pretty quickly. I feel like with almost every match I've had, that comes up at some point, like those little how's fender treating you, and then you just have the whole conversation and shared nightmare stories.

I've had. Yup. Okay. God, they're garbage. Aren't they I've had, I've had like every guy tell me about, apparently that's a thing with the clothes crop, selfies that certain angles and filters that women are really good at masking their actual weight. So I've had multiple men say to me, like, so why don't you have any full body pics?

Like, are you 300 pounds? I'm like, Hmm. Alright, Casanova let's pump the brakes there, but apparently that is a thing having one photo, tight cropped kind of selfie. So you can't have any idea of what their body type,

Chris: [01:02:04] right? Well, here's my thing, even if, even if your photos are misleading and I still find you attractive and your real form.

I still find the fact that you were trying to be misleading, a complete turnoff, because it just says to me that you were dishonest person, you know what I mean? Like if,

if you're starting off our interaction by you trying to mislead me about how you look then. That tells me something about your character. And so if you would lie about something like that, then why should I trust you? But I had, I was doing an intern somewhere, and the woman who was my supervisor, this was like 15 years ago.

She, she was single at the time. She's married now. And she was, I believe, meeting guys on J date. And, where her office was in Manhattan. She was able to like the office that she was in. She could see the street from her office window. And so she would have the guys, when they would meet for dates, she would say, okay, meet me at the corner of 53rd and fifth or wherever the office was.

I forgot. And she would literally with literally have the guys come there. And once they were there, they text her and, she would open the block and look out on the corner and if they didn't look like the photo or she didn't find them attractive, she would just ghost and never show up to the date.

Nancy: [01:03:42] Icon icon legend star. Amazing.

Chris: [01:03:49] At first you're kind of like, well, that's really mean, but then the other hand it's like, well, shit. If, if you're misleading people, then I kind of feel like maybe you that's what you get. Like, this is what you were trying to lie and mislead someone. I mean, what do you think is going to happen?

When did I guess, do they cause that even people who are full on catfishing, like there have been, I think episodes of 90 day fiance , where, the person was fishing and, and they met there. It was  revealed , Oh, you catfished me, but they still dated them anyway. So I guess it's, it happens, but I'm just thinking in the, from the perspective of the person who's doing it, what do you think is going to happen when you show up to the date and they see that you clearly don't look like your photos either because you use like 10 year old photos that were like 300 pounds ago.

Or you're using somebody else's photos. What do you think is going, do you think delusional? We believe that like the person's going to be like, Oh, I guess this is okay. Let's order. It

Nancy: [01:04:48] fell in love with your soul, not your

Chris: [01:04:50] right. Like I don't, I don't get what you think out how you think this is going

to

Nancy: [01:04:55] add that.

That could be said too, about people that use like the crazy face tune or filters on social media, where I'm like. Girl, you know, we know what you look like, right? Like we've seen you in real life and that is not what you look like.

Chris: [01:05:10] Yeah. I mean, it, look, it's one thing to just kind of like, you know, clean up a photo a bit, you know, use the auto, you know, filter that just kind of, you know, color, correct.

Some, whatever, the lighting and the contrast, whatever. and you know, maybe you had a pimple that day, so you kind of use the healing brush, you'd go shop or something. I don't know. But so, you know, so it's one thing to just kind of like clean up. The photo, but it's another thing to actually like alter your appearance to you.

So that it's actually like, this is not what you look like.

Nancy: [01:05:43] Yeah. Like changing the shape of your nose or like your jaw line or for, we know what you look like. Come on out here, the water's fine. Gotta do all this mess.

Chris: [01:05:54] Hi. so yeah, I guess that's it for today. hopefully the next time, we're the next episode.

We're not in lockdown anymore and people are able to start dating in person again, but. Given our current scars probably unlikely. but, see you guys next. Hi, I'm hopefully you finished her wine. If you didn't Chuck that shit down now.

Nancy: [01:06:31] Hi, .

Episode 1: George Floyd, Denise Richards, and Cheating Spouses

[00:00:00] Chris: Mom, it’s not even noon.

Hello, my friends, welcome to wine therapy. Oh, that was my terrible attempt at trying to do a like low, basic, sexy voice. I've always wanted to have one of those low Barry white voices, but instead of, I just sound like my mom.

Nancy:  just start chain smoking,

Chris: actually, that's a good, that's a good idea. welcome to our podcast. That's called wine therapy. My name's Chris Evans, and many of you know me [00:01:00] from social media, mostly, probably from Twitter. We are doing this with my very good friend of many years, Nancy. Who we traveled together. We drank together. We get into all kinds of depravity and debauchery. And so I fought, you know, I was going to do a podcast.

I couldn't do it without her, as my cohost. So say hello, Nancy.

Nancy: Hello, everyone. I'm the boozy aunt that travels too much.

Chris: Yes. And many other things. Yes. So I kind of wanted to do something that was sort of emblematic of what people find on my timeline. People follow me for a lot of different reasons. So there's, you know, the political stuff, the social justice stuff, [00:02:00] some people sort of following you because of my live tweeting and the game of Thrones.

Some people following him just because I post funny memes, you know? So I figured let's have the podcast kind of reflect all of those things.

When she, and I get together, we open up a bottle of wine or two or three,

Nancy: it's our four

Chris: and just kind of talk shit and, and watch the same movies for like the 100th time and just have a lot of fun. And so I felt like let's do something where it's kinda got that vibe to it. And so. There's so many, very serious, terrible things going on now, politically, socially, financially that I thought people would want something that's just kind of fun to listen to, whereas you're on your way home from work or you get home [00:03:00] and you just want to kind of unwind and, and just have a good time.

So we're going to try to make this as well, rounded as possible and cover all kinds of topics. So. One of the cool things that we're going to do is we have a website that's going to have all the episodes on it, including transcripts, for those of you who want that. And I know I listened to podcasts. There are times when it's like an hour long podcast and I'm annoyed that I have to listen to the entire thing when I really only wanted to hear it.

The 10 minutes that they're discussing a particular topic. So what we're going to do, that's going to make it easy for people who don't want to listen to everything is I'll post time code guides on our website for each episode. So that if you want to just hear us talk about. You know, a Supreme court decision that came out, we'll give you the time code for that, so that you don't have to sit through [00:04:00] our discussions about real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

So it just makes it easy for everyone to, who wants to just kind of listen to what they want to listen to.

And I'll give you all that information at the end of the show. Where you can find the episodes. And please, if you can go and you know, to Apple podcasts, to Google podcasts, wherever you listen and download the episodes that we are going to have available. So that, you know, we can help, you can help us get into the new and noteworthy feature in iTunes.

So, and leave a review button, please subscribe. So the first thing we're going to talk about is obviously there is a lot of unrest right now in every part of the country, [00:05:00] especially. Here in the U S but even in other countries, you know, we we've seen it in the UK and Italy and other places, Canada, of course, about this police brutality, the issue that's kind of in the zeitgeists guys right now been a couple of examples have happened that are getting the most attention, but obviously there are so many nameless, faceless people who this happens to every day that we don't necessarily hear about.

But I think we can start with George Floyd. And for those of you who don't know, my understanding is that the police were dispatched. This was in Minnesota, in Minneapolis for what was a counterfeit 20. And. A man ended up dead, a black man named George Floyd over the most petty of [00:06:00] alleged crimes. We have video of not only one officer with his knee on George's neck, as he's saying, I can't breathe and calling out for his mother for eight minutes and some odd seconds.

Nancy: 46.

Chris: Yeah. And. Then there was another video that I saw that showed the minutes just before that, you know, because people always say, Oh, well, what happened before this? What's the context? What did he do to, to prompt that response from the officer? And of course we've seen a video of the minutes just before that, where George has already restrained and in the back of the police car.

And it appeared from the angle of the video that the officer was beating him in the back of the car. And, you know, let's not forget of course, that there were other officers that were there at the scene seen on the video who [00:07:00] were not directly involved in causing his death, but we're standing there as bystanders and not intervening or doing anything about it.

One of so many of these types of police brutality cases that we've been seeing for so many years in this country, particularly toward black Americans, particularly toward black men. And this one I think is getting the most attention because it was caught on video.

It was so clearly, so clearly egregious from what we saw it's people are just are fed up.

Nancy: Yeah. I, I started the video for the first time that I tried to watch it and I had to stop it because it's, he's literally pleading where [00:08:00] he please, everything hurts. And then I had to hit pause and look away. It's a very upsetting video.

And the second that he started calling for his mother, that's when I lost it, I did see a really adorable clip of his daughter. someone had posted on Instagram. Of her on someone's shoulders. And she's seeing like all the protesters and people that are out there and she's like, daddy changed world. And I was like, well, that's actually a really touching clip, amidst all the chaos that we're seeing of riots and tear gas and, you know, rubber bullets, which I did not even realize.

I'm not smart. So I thought rubber bullet like, Oh, how much damage could it do? Oh my God. Some of the pictures that are getting posted from these protests of people getting hit with rubber bullets at like point blank range and it leaving like these massive welts and cuts and Ugh, it's terrible.

Chris: And they're using tear [00:09:00] gas and these rubber bullets on, in from many accounts, what appear to be peaceful protesters.

No. It's one thing to utilize those tools when you've got violent riot or something that you're trying to, to break up for the purpose of public safety. But in many cases, there were these peaceful protests who, which actually turned into violent protests after the police arrived and, and, and showed up with agitating the situation, escalating it.

But. So now there's been all these discussions about whether the police should be able to use these things like the rubber bullets, like the tear gas. I believe I just read the other day about people who have been dying from after getting hit with the tear gas. And not only that, but apparently tear gas is.

[00:10:00] Can cause they can terminate a pregnancy, which I wasn't aware of till just recently.

Nancy: And so, yeah.

Chris: And so for the pro life crowd who supposedly cares about unborn children, you would think that they would be the biggest advocates of the police not using a chemical weapon that could cause a woman to lose her pregnancy, but I haven't seen them say anything about that.

Nancy: Well, look on the bright side. At least there's not a national or global pandemic going on that affects the lungs, right? At least we don't have that also happening, right. For shootings here,

Chris: Christ. So much of this is, you know, a culmination of anger surrounding so many of these events that have happened recently with Brianna Taylor, who was.

In her house, sleeping with her [00:11:00] boyfriend, literally sleeping. And there was a no knock warrant that the police had, not for her house for someone else's they went to the wrong house and they claimed they identified themselves when they came in Brianna's boyfriend's hesitated not. And when they came in, they shot Briana she's dead.

And her boyfriend thinking that they was an intruder. Pulled out his gun, which per the second amendment he is allowed to have and defended himself and ended up shooting one of the officers who is, There were no fatalities on the law enforcement side, but I believe that were injured. And so they actually, in addition to murdering this woman who had done nothing wrong, They then locked up the boyfriend for attempted murder for having shot the officer.

Now, what is interesting to me is, you know, the police say that they [00:12:00] identified themselves when they came in, but there is audio of Brianna's boyfriend. Calling nine one one. And it's, if you, it's very hard to listen to, if you want to listen to it, it's out there. It's a very hard to listen to because he is, he it's heartbreaking.

He's, he's literally sitting there watching his girlfriend die and you can kind of tell that he knows that she's already dead and she's talking to the nine 11 operator and. You can tell in the call that he doesn't know what just happened. He tells her that these people just came into my house and I don't know what happened.

They just came in shooting and it's clear that he didn't know that they were law enforcement. I believe now, after public outrage, they have dropped the charges against him and he's, he's been released.

Nancy: Didn't they get rid of the no knock warrants. Now, after that,

Chris: I don't know if they did, actually,

Nancy: I know there was a petition going [00:13:00] around.

but. I think it actually got an acted. I would have to look it up, but I think the last thing I read about it was that it went through and passed on her actual birthday.

Chris: Yeah. Well, if that's true, that's great. you know, this no nonsense,

Nancy: I think, no, I don't care if they identified themselves or not.

How disorienting must have be you're dead asleep in bed. And even if they yelled that doesn't guarantee, I don't know what the layout of the house was that they would even hear them identifying themselves for however loud. And also who's to say, it's not just a random, crazy person that's breaking and saying, they're the cops.

Like I, I get why that guy reacted, how he did. I just, yeah, I can't.

Chris: I asked the arguments knocked warrants is that. you know, in the case of like Roger Stone, for instance, I believe when they arrested him. they had a no knock warrant. And the reason that they typically have them is because they don't want give the suspect a heads up to be able to either one [00:14:00] flea, number two, destroy evidence or number three.

Sit there and have an arsenal of weapons ready to fire on the police as soon as they come in. So the idea is you're giving the law enforcement yeah. A, an element of surprise too. You preserve the evidence to make sure they don't get away and to, and so that the police are not walking into, you know, a firefighter be trapped or something, you know, yeah, but there's gotta be a better way to do the, because you can't, you can't, you can't have it both ways where you say, you know, in the case of like George Zimmerman, for instance, where you say, Oh, well, you know, we have the right to stand our ground when we feel threatened.

You know, when, when my personal safety is threatened or when my property's being threatened, but then at the same time, say that. A homeowner is in the wrong when someone enters their home, that they don't know, and they have to defend themselves because they don't know what's going on. It's it's you can't have it both [00:15:00] ways.

Nancy: You see that Dave Chappelle released, 27 minutes of standup where he like fully addressed, George Floyd and the black lives matter and all the protesting, it was actually extremely like touching and eloquent. It wasn't really, you know, it wasn't quote unquote standup, but, I think he really highlighted it in a very.

Very thoughtful way. And my favorite part about it was he talked about all the young people that are out there moving forward with this movement and getting all the attention and how he trusts the young people. And he's good to ride in the back of this car, that these are the people that are gonna incite change and get the attention on all these issues and make the world better.

Chris: Did he talk about Brianna Taylor

Nancy: briefly? He mentioned her name.

Chris: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I've been a little frustrated because I feel like this is a topic for a [00:16:00] whole nother episode, but I feel like when you know, and what this does, statistics tell us that, you know, black men are most often the ones who have interactions with the police.

And that are most often the victims of violence and cetera forced by those interactions with the police. But I feel like when this stuff happens to black women, it doesn't get as much attention. Yeah. Taylor, hasn't gotten as much attention as, as George Floyd has and I've seen it a lot of people, particularly black women on.

Social media, keep putting her name out there and reminding people, you know, let's not forget about her, but I just, I thought it was interesting to see that it, it took the George Floyd thing for people to do all of these

Nancy: proteins. And I just thought to

Chris: myself why. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. [00:17:00] But so they're there.

I mean, but there's been so many things that have been happening the past couple of weeks and. You had said something before we move on from George Floyd, you wanted to say something about the woman who was recording.

Nancy: Oh yes. So first of all, let me pull her name back up. So number one, I didn't realize she was 17 years old.

Wow. Darnella Frazier. so she's the one that actually took the video. And there was an article that got posted about how she's literally having to seek like mental help, because she's getting terrorized online about like, why didn't you do anything? You just stood there and filmed, why didn't you get involved?

Like, you're just as much at fault. Like apparently she's been getting it from every angle and I can't imagine. The I was terrorized just watching the video. I can't imagine that happening five feet from me.

Chris: Yeah. I mean, I don't know [00:18:00] what people would expect her to have done. You have no, it's not as if you saw two random citizens going at it.

Like you, you see. A law enforcement interaction where you have not one, but I believe it was three officers or maybe it was four. I forgot.

Nancy: Yeah. Four, I think.

Chris: And, and so what are you supposed to do, you know, especially, you know, as a private citizen who has no authority over the police or do you, what exactly are you supposed to do in that situation other than

Nancy: a minor at that?

Chris: Yeah. And she, and she's 17 years old, you know, what is she supposed to do? I think one of the, I think it's very easy for people to say, you know, and this irritates me a lot. When I see people posting incidents of racism that they've experienced videos and people say, Oh, well, you know, if it was me, I would have done X, Y, and Z.

And it's like, well, a lot of times when you experience certain things, you're so shocked by what's happening, [00:19:00] that it doesn't kick in immediately. The correct response or how you should respond. You know, you don't know what to do in that particular moment. And maybe 10 minutes later, an hour later, or a day later, you think, Oh man, why didn't I do this?

Why didn't I do that? But it's shocking when these sorts of things happen. And again, there are police officers, they have guns, they have Bhutan's, they have tasers, they have everything else. I don't know what people expect her to do.

Nancy: Plus there's that whole fight or flight response, right? Like it adrenaline completely takes over.

It's not like you're going to sit there and go, Oh, well, let's have rational thoughts right now about how this all makes me feel. You just

Chris: react, right? Yeah. It's a, it's very visceral at that point. And, so the, but there's been a couple of other things that have happened. We had the Amod Arbery situation in, I believe it was Georgia.

Where [00:20:00] there were two white men, father and son. Apparently there was a burglary in a house that was under construction nearby and they saw a video of someone saw a video of a mod Arbery who was a young man jogging. As he typically does in this, on this route that he was jogging on and they identified him as the guy in the video that allegedly committed a burglary and decided to deputize themselves, get in their funky ass pickup truck with their guns and drive down the road, chasing him.

In order to, I don't know what they were planning to do. Apprehend him would tie him up and drive to the police station. I don't know, but when they got there, they confronted him or the son [00:21:00] did anyway, and he didn't know who they were or what they wanted with him. And he was defending himself. But you have a guy who you have a, two white guys driving up to you with a truck and holding guns.

And one of them gets out and comes towards you holding that gun. Your response is going to be to fight back because you don't know what's gonna, it happened. And so that's what happened. And so they, they were, you know, sort of fighting with each other for a second and kind of doing a tug of war sort of thing with the gun as the video shows and ultimately the son's punk ass pulls the gun away and shoots him several times, I believe, you know, because he was losing the fist fight.

Of course. So we just figured, let me just grab my gun and shoot him. And so they shot him and he's dead. And someone has lost their son, their brother, their cousin, their uncle, their whatever. He was to [00:22:00] his loved ones. All because these guys decided they were going to take a law into their own hands. Which, by the way, that's what a lynching is.

This literally was a modern day lynching. This is what they would do when, when they would Lynch people in, in Jim Crow, they would, you know, they would get themselves whipped up in a frenzy because some white woman said, you know, this, you know, some black guy raped me or whistled at me or whatever. And then they would go driving around, rounding up black men, questioning them, terrorizing them, and they would torture them and hang them or worse.

And that's basically what it was. And then what makes it even worse is that after the fact we learn that the, I believe the prosecutor in that County. Has a personal relationship with the father, the white [00:23:00] father and God, and that the dad used to work in the police department as some sort of investigator at one point.

And so it was when this story broke in the news, it actually happened, I believe a month prior. And the paperwork showed that this prosecutor determined that this was self defense. And so when you see the video you go, huh? Whose self-defense is this? How can you pursue someone in your truck with a gun?

And then when they defend themselves, say, Oh, it was self-defense because he was fighting with my son. Well, yeah, because you jumped out of the fucking truck with your gun and came after him. What did, what, what would you expect he would do? Just say yes. Massah I'll come along. No bitch. You're he's going to [00:24:00] throw hands and that's exactly what happened.

So I believe they ended up because of the conflict of interest. They gave the case to a different prosecutor. And now that the father and son have been arrested. but you know, let's see if they end up getting convicted, you know, because it seems so often in these cases that these people get away with it.

But it's just that, that video, it's a short video and I believe the person who took the video was also arrested as well later. As a co you know, as a accomplice, but, why, just why? And they're, they're they, they released a video that they were referring to of the so-called burglary and all the video shows is cause you know how they have you, you're driving down the road and you see there's a house that's being built or some kind of, not even necessarily a house, but something is clearly under construction.

And people get out all the time and just kind of peek in and say, [00:25:00] Oh, what's going on in here? And what are they building? And you know, what's happening here. And that's exactly what he did. He, he, you could see, you see a mod on the video walking in kind of looking around and taking stock of what the construction site was and then leaving.

He doesn't take anything with him. And in fact, that same camera that was recording recorded. So many other people, white people who did the exact same thing, where they came in and were being nosy and was like, Oh, what's this and left. So what I want to know is why, why do white people, particularly white men feel that they have the power to deputize themselves and go around playing vigilante?

Watching

Nancy: too much Batman growing up.

Chris: I, I don't, I don't understand. It's like, it has nothing to do with you. It wasn't even their house. So this is, see, this is, this is the problem is [00:26:00] that they're clearly racist. And so they're looking for some excuse to find to terrorize black people. And they found it in this video of the quote unquote burglary.

I don't know if they're thinking that they're in call of duty or what the situation, I mean, I'm serious. It's like these people who were so obsessed with their fucking guns and their, their, you know, military gear and all of this stuff, it's like, this is real life people. This is not a game. And I'm just, I'm hoping that there are actual consequences for these people that were involved, because if they are not sent to prison for this murder and that's exactly what it was, let's be clear.

It was a murder. Then what message are you sending to the black people of America, the black people of your state, the black people of your city? [00:27:00] When two white men, technically three can hunt down a black person, who's done nothing to them and shoot them and kill them dead in the street. And that there are no consequences.

That's what I want to know. And to all the people out there who keep acting like racism is a thing of the past. Look at what's happening. How is what happened to a mod Arbery any different than the type of shit that happened during Jim Crow, how he was guilty of jogging wild, black, essentially, and was murdered for no good reason.

Nancy: Do you feel more hopeful with, I guess the state of things after seeing how, how big the reaction to George Floyd has been from a global scale? Like, do you feel more hopeful that good things are coming or are you like still feeling like it's the [00:28:00] same old shit? How many people have to die and nothing ever changes?

Chris: Well, we actually have some objective data on that. I've seen some polling that showed that now the majority of Americans support black lives matter and support. NFL players kneeling during the national Anthem. I mean, that's a huge shift in public opinion, compared to a

Nancy: year ago, lost their shit.

Chris: There is some objective data that says that the tide is turning at least in terms of how people are telling folks that they feel.

And it appears that because this whole issue of, of racial injustice with policing is in as EIT Geist. That we're finally seeing some actual policy changes happening. You know, we're seeing places around the country ban the choke hold. We're seeing all of these different policies put in place, place to be checked on the [00:29:00] police and their excessive force and all of that stuff.

But my concern is, well, I have a couple of concerns. One is, is that it's a passing fad. That all of these people putting, you know, black lives matter in their bio and the hashtags and the, this, and the, that, and the black square on their photo. That it's something that's fun and cool in the moment. And a couple of months from now, they'll go back to their ice lattes and their yoga and forget about it because it was a moment in time.

Because this is not something that's going to be fixed tomorrow. It's a systemic problem in every aspect of law enforcement and the criminal justice system. The other thing is, and I, and I made a whole thread about this, which I'll post on this episode's page as well, but I said [00:30:00] accessible force and the lethal nature of policing.

Is a very important issue because it can, it results in actual lives being lost. But the underlying issue is not just the way the police are conducting themselves, but the racist attitudes that are influencing the behavior to begin with. And so the police are hap are able to be much more dangerous physically because they have they're armed and they have badges that allow them to use those arms legally.

But let's be clear. Racism affects every aspect of people's lives in a systemic way. So let's say that police officer that put his knee on George Floyd's neck instead is a bank loan officer. And he doesn't like black people and maybe he acknowledges that and is a hateful [00:31:00] person. Or maybe his racial bias is subconscious.

Maybe it's, he's not aware that he has this implicit bias toward black people. And so he has two different people come in for, to apply for a loan for a small business or for a mortgage. They have the same credentials, same credit score. Well, guess what his racism is going to affect, whether that black person is going to get that loan.

When you have a doctor, let's say he was a doctor. Instead that race has him, it's going to affect the treatment. He gives to black people coming in saying that they have medical problems or that they're in pain. We know this from the data that the white doctors and nurses, when they see black patients, they think black people are lying about the pain that they're in and they don't treat their ailments properly.

Do you see this with even people who aren't famous and have a lot of money like Serena [00:32:00] Williams, who said she almost died because her doctors were not listening to her. And so the, we have this whole issue of the black maternal mortality. It goes into red lining where people are allowed to live. Cory Booker has a famous story about his parents, where they tried to buy a house in a certain neighborhood.

They weren't allowed. And so they had a white family come back and pose as them, and they were allowed to move in. That type of thing happens all the time, even still today. And so, and, you know, and it goes on and on and on, in, into education, into everything. So I just want people to think about. This whole black lives matter.

And this whole issue of systemic racism, it's not just limited to the criminal justice system. It's, it's a pervasive issue in every aspect of life.

So I'm hoping that [00:33:00] these, these protests really raise people's awareness and hopefully we can keep up this momentum of. Really paying attention to this issue. But the, the thing that I have to say I love that's happening is how many racists are exposing themselves and losing their jobs. So let's

Nancy: so easy.

Keep a clean friendless now, because the second I see the. But all lives matter a shit. You're one of the dumb ones. All right, let me go. This mother fucker off that timeline.

Chris: Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let, let's pour another glass of wine on this before we get into this mess.

Nancy: Oh yes. So I was saving my poor

Chris: just for you.

So for those who can't see, which is all of you, actually, we have these wine glasses that are designed to be able to hold the entire bottle of wine. So you can actually pour the whole [00:34:00] bottle in and just, I mean, it's very misleading the way that it's shaped you can't really tell if you were looking at that it's an entire bottle of wine, but in fact it is.

Nancy: I'm about to pour my entire bottle of wine into this class,

huh?

No, but I will say, I do think. It's cause you ever have like a major public event or something happened or like an election. And then you see your friend posts, whatever their bad opinion is or whatever their opinion is. And you're like, Oh man, now this is a whole thing I got to deal with. So after watching all the stuff populate, just gross stuff, populate on my feed.

I'm like, yeah, [00:35:00] let's just get, get rid of these. I don't, I don't want these. People around. I will say though, with the whole black square thing on Instagram, and I didn't even, I didn't even think about this, but I saw multiple accounts posts where they were begging people to delete the black squares with the black lives matter, hashtag because it was burying all of this protest information and contact information because when people would search the hashtag where they would normally get their information, it was just flooded with black squares.

Chris: Wow.

Nancy: Yeah. And have you seen any of the audio or video clips of police officers talking to each other with handling the protesters? Cause those are pretty gross too.

Chris: Yeah.

Nancy: About like people on the street, like just run them over and then like hyping them all up. Like, and you gotta hit him. Hit him hard, not too hard.

Like who are you? Are these people?

Chris: Well, Do you have a lot of sociopaths signing up to be police officers, and let's not forget by the way [00:36:00] that domestic violence is incredibly high among police officer families. So think about that. You literally have wife beaters out in the street serving and protecting that one thing I did read that was interesting was that.

There is some data that shows that there are much less, complaints of excessive force against female officers. And the whole article was basically arguing that if you want to solve the issue of police brutality, hire more women because they're more likely to not lose their cool deescalate when they come to a scene to not.

Just try to buss someone's head because they I'm hurt their feelings are hurt, their ego or whatever. They're just much better able to. Handle situations without going psycho basically.

Nancy: But what are you talking about? Women are so [00:37:00] emotional with their tiny lady brains. There's no way they could do that.

Right.

Chris: I don't know how many of you have been watching this season of real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but it's. It's been pretty good. They've got some new cast members. They have this Southern bell Sutton who personally, I find very annoying. So I don't know where her money comes from, but apparently she's very rich and she FaceTimes herself, you know, this big fashionista, you know, she thinks she's Anna Wintour and.

Has all these very pointed opinions about everyone's fashion. She doesn't seem to be getting along with anybody this [00:38:00] season, quite frankly, including the person who brought her onto the show, which I think was Lisa Rinna.

Nancy: Yeah. Renna brought her.

Chris: And so there's her, but there's also for the first time on the show, they have a black.

Cast member actress. Garcelle Beauvais who I really liked, like on the shower. I just wish he had more scenes, but unlike the rest of the women, she actually has a real job. So she tends to be busy working when they're doing all of their little girls trips and other things. But the real mess this season is surrounding Denise Richards, who I really liked her in the last season of the show.

Nancy: Me too.

Chris: She was like low key laid back and she seemed normal. She was kind of self deprecating, the

Nancy: jeans and a tee shirt. She wasn't like concerned with being extra. She kind of just watched the shenanigans and be like, wow, what a [00:39:00] group? Like I liked her calming energy that she had

Chris: every housewife show.

It's almost like the spice girls. Like you need different personalities that are gonna fit to make the group work. And you always need that one person who's not in the middle of the drama, but just kind of sitting back, being an objective observer from it all.

Nancy: And so she just

Chris: exactly. Yeah, so she was kind of fulfilling that role, but this season it's a whole another mess child.

She, so she has this husband, Aaron, who. I thought it was a cool guy in the first season, he seemed very supportive of Denise and kind of like down to earth and

Nancy: super thoughtful.

Chris: She told us all about how he has a big penis and everything else. And then this season something's up something in the milk and cleaning because she, she from the area, the beginning.

So from the very first episode, Charlie's sheen. [00:40:00] Denise's ax. Who's the father of her children apparently went to court to file, to not have to pay child support anymore. Even though according to Denise, she never pursued the child support. Like he, he owes the child support, but she never like took him to court or like reported it or anything.

I think she just was like, he's not going to pay. And don't just I'll deal with it. Well, for whatever reason, and regardless, he decided to go back to court and actually try to get an order to stop the child support. And all the girls are talking about, Oh, Denise, you know, you need to get a lawyer, you need to do this.

You need to do that. And the niece is acting like it's just no big deal. And how she just going to ignore it and not do anything about it. And they're like, Oh, okay. But girl, like what are you going to do with like the court tape comments? Like, you're just going to not show up. Like you're not what, and they kept pushing it because it wasn't making [00:41:00] sense.

And she's just like, Oh, I appreciate it. They're trying to help. But you know, why can't they just leave me alone and mind their business and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I, that, so from the very beginning, that was just a little bit odd. Then we go into the next Denise drama, which is. They had a barbecue. I believe it was at Kyle's house.

They start having a conversation about threesomes. I don't even know how that came up, but they were talking about threesomes and Erica

Nancy: just remember Erika Jayne sang very specifically. She'd never been with another woman. Only a couple. I don't remember the catalyst for that comment, but yeah,

Chris: they were going around and talking about their experiences, having threesomes and.

I think Garcelle said that she kissed another girl in college or something, but that was it. And Erica said, yeah, I've had relations with a couple, but not like a one, you know, one woman by herself. And this was a party that children were at as well, but they were, you know, at the kids' table, but I guess they [00:42:00] were in earshot of this adult conversation.

And you know, the kids apparently I guess could kind of overhear it. They're talking about. I started sort of giggling and Denise. Yes. Wild things. Starship troopers, Denise Richard was just clutching her pearls child. And so just incense that they could be talking about sex and threesomes when there are children in the room and, Oh my gosh, how could this happen?

You know, you guys need to be quiet because my kids are here and, you know, she leaves the party and she's so upset about this conversation. Hasn't taken place and. She brings it up multiple times, times she brings it up to Erica and tries to make Erica feel bad about talking about the threesomes. And then she brings it up again to Sutton and I believe Teddy on a separate occasion and she keeps bringing it up again.

When they're in the group situations about this whole threesome conversation. And so you're wondering why is she like a [00:43:00] dog with a bone with this whole threesome thing? It doesn't make sense. But then of course we find out that apparently, and we're not, they haven't shown this yet on the show, but they've alluded to it that Brandi Glanville, who was once a cast member of this show, that Denise was having an affair with her.

And so. I don't know, we haven't, these haven't aired yet, so I don't know all the details. So I don't know if it's Denise was sleeping with Brandy separately from her husband and her husband didn't know about it, or if they were all sleeping with each other together in a threesome situation, or if it was like they have an open marriage, I don't know, but it starts to make sense why she was so touchy about the threesome conversation and her kids here.

Again. Because of her, I guess her anxiety about people finding out about this whole branding thing.

Nancy: But I mean, aren't those [00:44:00] kids that were sitting there.

Chris: They're all like high school age. I think there, we're seeing younger kids there as well. Cause I think, I think, Denise's younger child was there as well, but either way she keeps talking about how her older daughter, I think her name is Sammy.

You know, came to her and she was so upset and just so embarrassed about what happened. You know, her friends were there and they were all mortified and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, you know, cause Bravo loves to do those shady flashbacks. They showed what happened

Nancy: for part,

Chris: okay. Her daughter she's she brings it out with her daughter.

The daughter didn't bring it up to her. So Denise brings it up and the daughter was like, no, we didn't care. We thought it was funny. And that was it. And which is by the way, exactly what Lisa Rinna said. She's like this that's weird. Cause I know Sammy and I feel like she would just laugh it off and not even care.

Denise is the one claiming that. Her children were like emotionally [00:45:00] scarred by overhearing this 10 minute conversation about threesomes. It's like, girl, no, one's buying this stop.

Nancy: Well, and let's not forget too, that all these kids now have smartphones. So like, I feel like they find out about topics like that a little earlier than maybe we did

Chris: exactly.

That's what I, my feeling is. This is not, you know, 1973, if you're, if your child is too young to know what threesomes are, then you have nothing to worry about. If your child is old enough to know what threesomes are, then what was the harm. But by the way, don't you think they have Google? Don't you think they have the internet PornHub?

Like how, how delusional. Could you possibly be to think that your teenager doesn't know about sex and doesn't know what a threesome is. And there was also another point [00:46:00] in the show when they were talking about talking to their kids about where babies came from and Denise, and one of the other moms was like, Oh yeah, we told her, you know, that it's a miracle, it's a miracle that the baby ends up in the woman's stomach and it's historic.

And the, this and the, that, and Erica Jane is like, Really like you can't just say the penis goes in the vagina, but. What is, I, I've never understood this whole thing of, if we don't talk to our kids about sex, that they won't it'll keep them from having it. You know, I grew up in a household where my mother was very blunt with me and my brother about sex from an extremely early age, so that I was like five, six, and I knew all the, all there was to know that you know, that there was appropriate for a kid to know about sex.

And at the time, because I wasn't yet exposed to, you know, the playground and what people are saying and what was in the porn magazines and everything else. [00:47:00] I just was like, Oh, okay, cool. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't controversial. It wasn't didn't scar me. It didn't like make me uncomfortable. It was just very matter of fact, like, okay, that's what it is.

That's why people do it. And so I just have never understood this school of thought that. If we keep it from them, if we keep the information from them, then that'll keep them from having sex. It doesn't make any sense.

Nancy: Yeah. Those are the ones that end up pregnant at 16,

Chris: exactly. With the STDs, because they're not having Jacqueline sex,

Nancy: they're not on the pill.

Chris: God knows, or God knows what else. But the other thing that has been so. Bizarre about Denise is seeing how unhinged her husband is this season. It's really scary. So there's this scene where they're all at a dinner party and I believe they were doing a game of first impression. [00:48:00] First impression it's like go around the table and say what your first impression was of the person that was sitting next to you.

And it was such that it's so

Nancy: goddamn messy. I love it. That's so messy to do, but I'm a thousand

Chris: percent here until they got to Sutton because she was the only person that actually played the game. Honestly.

Nancy: Yeah. I was disappointed in the other Housewives, like, come on, you know, why we're

Chris: here? Point of the game is to say, okay, this is what my first impression was of the person.

And here's what I think of them now. And they're supposed to obviously be a contrast. But everyone was like, well, when I first met Garcelle I thought that she was really beautiful and funny. And now that I've gotten to know her, I know she really is beautiful and fun. It's like, no, bitch, that's not the game.

You're supposed to say something shady.

Nancy: I always thought that you had

Chris: such a great, I have good impressions of people when we first meet them. Not necessarily most of the time and yeah. And so that was, [00:49:00] that was supposed to be, you know, supposed to be a bonding exercise of like, well, you know, you kind of seemed a little standoffish at first, but now I know that, you know, you're a really nice person and blah, blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, so that was the game. And then at some point they started discussing Denise's husband, Aaron, and what he does for a living. Now I believe it was Kyle that asked and she asked it by the way in a very, just casual, cool conversation tone, just like a normal, you know, normal thing that you would say, if you're at a dinner party and you don't know what someone does and you say, you know, Oh, what are you?

You know, what do you do? Can you explain it? And, this is what happened. Everything you've been taught about how disease process and stuff works is not true.

I have [00:50:00] to be careful. Say what? Explain 12. I was living next to the largest nuclear facility in North America. I watched everybody die of cancer. I couldn't understand why we can split an atom with sound and cause a nuclear explosion.

You at Adam, there's lots of space, right? Electron, proton, neutron, whatever. So there's a lot of space. Space is empty space, right? 99.9% is space, but it's oscillating at a frequency that appears to be real. And our reality. Does it make sense to one, know why cancer comes in?

Nancy: Why? Yes,

Chris: because it's protecting you of infection.

Your immune system did not respond to it and you would have died in 12 hours. It's your best friend that protect you from somebody. Who's going to shoot you in the head with a brick. That's what cancer is. Approve it all day long. That's [00:51:00] fascinating. Dr. Aaron,

Nancy: Oh, wait. You're not a doctor.

Chris: You don't even play one on

Nancy: TV.

Chris: We can split an atom with sound cause a nuclear explosion killed people. You can't figure what is cancer about the common cold?

What fuck

Nancy: the second I heard the, well there's already people following us. So I was like, this just got like, I don't have my tinfoil hat ready to, like, I didn't know that this is what we were doing today.

Chris: I, I mean, I've watched that scene a couple of times now, and I don't know what to say other than I'm sure.

Like I don't,

first of all, the fact that he's sitting there talking about, he starts the conversation by [00:52:00] saying everything you know, about the way disease. Process works. It's not true, but okay. All right. but then he goes on to start talking about the space and Sonic booms and all this other shit

Nancy: split. Now,

Chris: what are you talking about?

What are you talking about? So I guess what he does is, you know, I don't know how many of you have been to California LA in particular. They are such like health junkies out there. And they are, there are so many different like scam health fads that you'll find, you know, the, every week there's a new treatment that pops up that's that people are all excited about and everyone starts doing it.

The crypto, whatever thing, where you get in and it's it, you're frozen for a [00:53:00] second, as opposed. It's supposedly like. Brings it to your fat cells or some shit like that, but like all kinds of, there's all kinds of stuff like that out there. You know, this Marianne Williamson put crystals on your pussy and like others, shit like that.

That just, it doesn't make any sense, but there are people do this type of sound, this type of weird stuff. I know there's going to be so many people who live in LA. They're going to be angry with me for dragging y'all, but I don't care because that mean, I'm sorry. You have to be honest that there's a lot of cookie mumbo jumbo that people buy into.

And as part of the reason why I will never, it's a beautiful place, love to visit, but I will never live there, but this is taking it to a whole nother level because I guess he, he has all these different contraptions. He has some sort of electromagnetic thing that he connects to Denise has had to make her go to sleep with magnetic games or [00:54:00] some shit.

And I mean, that's what he did. And it's like all of these go to sleep, but there's all these weird treatments he does that apparently have no basis in science or anything factual. And I didn't hear him say in that, in anywhere on that scene, where he gets this information from where you, I mean, I would be asking like, okay, well, where can I look this up?

Is any of your stuff, peer reviewed? Are there other doctor, you know, he's, is that Krista already

Nancy: being followed? What do you want from him? He can just give you all these resources he's being followed.

Chris: Well, that was the craziest part of it was for sure this whole conspiracy they've created in their head.

Is that like. The big pharma people and the corporations, and like the syndicate are following them and sending people to harass them and shit. This is not like Leah remedy fucking Scientology on the run. What are you [00:55:00] doing? What are you talking about? I can, I can guarantee because Denise said, Oh, you know, there are powerful people who are really scared of what Aaron does because you know, he put them out of business and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

No serious organization gives a shit about some creepy ass, droid it out. Dude, in LA who buys some stupid contraptions off of Amazon. And. It claims that he is some type of like which doctor who can put some magnetic waves and cure your cancer. So they've created this conspiracy theory where they're being followed and what's so creepy about their scenes too, is they keep saying all of this stuff to themselves, like, like a niece is like muttering under her breath.

If you watch it. Don't say anything more, Aaron, they're watching. Why

Nancy: nag girl? It's just us watch it.

Chris: It's just [00:56:00] watch it on demand with our wine.

Nancy: Yeah. I didn't have anything going on on a Thursday night. And I said, you know what? Let's unpack this real Housewives of Beverly Hills. It's gotten interesting since Lisa Vanderpump left.

Chris: But it's, it's so disappointing because like I said, I really did like to niece and her husband in the first season, but this season, they seem to a bit, but I have to say also, it now gives some credence to people who complain about bad editing, because if that is at the edit, but she got in the first season, made her seem as sane as she seemed.

And now we're seeing the other side. They're like what? The true side of Denise and Eric that's editing.

Nancy: I don't know. See, I can't really get on the blame, the edit bandwagon. I honestly, I think it was her first season. She's not dumb. She must have looked up previous seasons to see the mess she was [00:57:00] walking into and was like, I'm not going to show up with the full glam squad.

I'm just going to do me. I'm going to mind my P's and Q's, I'm not going to get in any drama. I'll listen all day, but I'm not really, I'm going to give a hard commentary on anything. I think she played the first season. Incredibly smart. I'm sure that in this season, Maybe she was like, wow, that was a lot of effort.

And let me just cash these checks and I'll just be myself who cares. Like maybe that's what it was, but she's yeah, I think she was just more or calculated last season and that we're seeing a little bit more of her. Cause what was her biggest thing last season? The whole happy ending episode. Yeah.

Reverend was like, Oh my God, the sexual openness. Oh my, my word, like some kind

Chris: of way about that

Nancy: or her talking about the size of her husband's Dick, like, which is why the threesome stuff seems so out of character this season. Exactly. I can understand. [00:58:00] I don't want my sex life talked about in front of my children.

Right. Like I get that dynamic, but these, these were the other house who gives a shit.

Chris: Yeah. I think just, it hit a nerve because of the branding situation. And of course we still don't know the full details. I mean, maybe, maybe they have maybe they're out there in the blogs and stuff, but I try to not read that so that I can actually enjoy the show without all the spoilers, but, Well, and then I go

Nancy: back after to see the mess on Twitter.

Chris: Right. But on the show, they just, in the last episode, Eric, like the mid season trailer that shows the rest of what's coming. And I don't know how far if you've gotten there yet, if you're all the way caught up,

Nancy: I am caught up now.

Chris: Yeah. So they showed that trailer. And it's all about the brand DMS and like Denise got to get exposed and like all of this stuff, which by the way, her stopping

Nancy: filming.

Chris: Yeah. But by the way, it didn't, if Denise just came out and said, yeah, I had [00:59:00] a threesome with Brandy and my husband was okay with it or whatever, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Nancy: Well, Hannah, I don't think this was a one and done type of situation.

Hey girl, you up.

I think that's what it was. Yeah. This is a, this was an ongoing, I don't know if it was purely a physical gig or if there was anything emotional with it. I don't know how much Aaron was involved. Maybe it was just a looking at touchy. Well, Brandy and. Denise had their fun. Maybe it was all of them in together.

I have no idea. I'm very excited when they showed Denise, sit back down in that chair and they were like, Denise, are you ready? And she just looked up

Chris: with full

Nancy: honey, those eyes. That was some, I got this big pussy energy and I'm coming through. I'm ready. Let's rip. The walls [01:00:00] down like that. I was like, Oh my God, I can't, I can't wait.

By the way. I

Chris: love if Lisa Vanderpump came back to like, give one of those interviews, just like, Oh my

Nancy: God, can they like run into her at a restaurant or something? And it just get really messy. Like I would love for that to happen. Oh

Chris: my God. Well now, Lisa, I don't think Lisa is ever going to come back to the show because she.

Oh for number one, she doesn't have any allies. Nobody on the show likes her anymore. And she, but she also, she's just too calculating and she's like, so careful about how she's partying trade that she can't handle not being in control of. What's. What's out there about her.

Nancy: My spirit animal is Lisa Vanderpump sitting with printed out screenshots of text messages at 170 point font like that to

Chris: text messages.

[01:01:00] Nancy: Well, obviously someone was lying with our mission. I was like, Oh girl, drag her.

Chris: Oh, I live for receipts on these fucking reality shows. I truly do.

Nancy: That's why I'm very curious. So. Not to totally switch gears. That's why I'm so curious with the real Housewives of Atlanta reunion, whatever receipts Portia said that she has in relation to Nini are not in any, I'm sorry, in relation to Cynthia,

Chris: Andy rep.

Nancy: Yeah. Did he on air? No, no. At the, after the end of the third one,

Chris: he

Nancy: never knew, he just said screenshot it to me. I think it got covered on watch. What happens live. Right.

Chris: He read it, he read it on the, on the reunion. It was basically, and they, and they responded to it. He was, he said it was basically like it's

Nancy: a little bit too much wine that night with my kids.

Chris: Yeah. I think you were because he not only read it, but then Kenya was like, see, so that's not what you said it was. And then, and then they have like an [01:02:00] argument. Now I

Nancy: vaguely remember that.

Chris: I'll let you said that, whatever,

Nancy: that was a heavy wine night with my

Chris: cat, the receipts w what the, what Porsche claimed the receipts said, it wasn't quite what she said.

20%, like what she was claiming, but not fully well dammit, but before we move on from how Beverly Hills, I just want to say, I'm starting to find a niece's husband, very scary, like aside from the fact that he's psycho and, and like a conspiracy theorist, he, there is that scene where. He brings or Denise brings her husband to whose house were they doing it at?

was it Erica's house on the last episode, the last like cookout or whatever that they had or they were all together arguing about the threesome thing. And Erin was there defending Denise.

Nancy: I thought that [01:03:00] was Kyle's house. No.

Chris: There was the first dinner where they first made the comments about the threesomes.

Then there was another dinner, which was at Kyle's house. There was to celebrate her, wrapping a movie, fuck probably

Nancy: the fucking

Chris: cameo and really

Nancy: let's do it all like dinners.

Chris: And then there was the third one, which was, I think the very last episode where Denise and Aaron storm out. And she's like, don't say anything on camera.

Yeah.

Nancy: Does he need to be reminded as you have like three guys,

Chris: three

Nancy: camera guys, two production assistants. You're passing the video village. You got to remind him he's on fucking camera. Not to say anything,

Chris: but it was so weird because essentially, so. They were bringing up again the whole threesome situation and confronting Denise about it because they were saying, we felt that you were shaming us and like kind of calling us bad moms because Oh yes.

Cause that's what it was [01:04:00] the, it was Kyle's house because they had. She had like a bouncy house and all this other stuff. And she's like, yeah, I texted you and told you that I was having like a trampoline and a bouncy house. It was going to be all this stuff for the kids. So like you knew that

Nancy: it was a very thoughtful on Kyle's part.

Chris: Yeah. You knew that it was going to be a party that was appropriate for kids to bring it. Wasn't an adult party. And so first and East lies and says, Oh, you know, so, and so had a play date and the other person was at their friend's house and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then later it comes out that, Oh, no, she didn't, you know, she didn't want to bring her kids around this group anymore because it's a threesome conversation.

And so

Nancy: change the channel.

Chris: So they were arguing about that because they were like Janisa, which is, do you want to bring your kids around us or not? And if not, Y and then Aaron jumps in who I thought was talking to the women very aggressively. I, you know, I, I, I mean, I, it's kind of always awkward when the husband's like, get in the middle of the [01:05:00] drama between the Housewives, but the way he was speaking to them, it was like obvious that his intention was to like, intimidate them.

Yeah. And it was just very kind of like uncomfortable to watch and they almost didn't know. I mean, these are ladies who always have like clap backs, but like, they, they were almost like, so shell shocked by how, how aggressive he was that they didn't even know what to say or how to respond to it.

Nancy: well he put the speakers on 11, like real quick, right?

Like I don't even know it. I literally, when I was watching that episode, I was like, Oh, okay. So this Bravo screwed up the editing on this part. Cause something must have happened before. He's like this angry and then I rewound it because I was like, maybe I missed it. Did I look down and answer a text message?

And I was like, Nope, I was following right along. And it looks like it just escalated that quickly.

Chris: Right?

Nancy: I will say it's on brand though for him to turn out, to be a psychopath, because I did find him very attractive. So like it's all scraps. I'm [01:06:00] like, Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what it is.

Chris: Oh my God. Well, where we'll get to your, your messy dating life on another episode, but no,

Nancy: don't, they've done nothing wrong.

Why would you. Why would you subject them to that? They've done nothing

Chris: wrong. You found really disturbing was at the end of that scene. So, you know, Aaron goes out to them and they, you know, sort of stand their ground and they don't want to let it go without getting Denise to admit that she's wrong. And so she was Erin and Denise basically decide after this we're leaving.

So they get up and they just abruptly leave. But as they're leaving. Aaron is still muttering stuff under his breath. And Denise is saying to him, don't say anything. Don't say anything, stop talking where the cameras were on. You're still miked. You're still night. And then he goes to her, don't tell me what to do.

Don't tell me what to say. And then he says, if you tell, if you keep telling me what to do, I'm going to crush [01:07:00] your hand. And he was at that point in the, in the scene, he was holding her hand as they were leaving the house. And it was so bone chilling the way that he said it, like who, who says that to their wife, I'm going to crush your hand.

If you don't stop talking to me like

Nancy: that, I immediately had flashbacks to what's love got to do with it.

Chris: I had flashbacks too. Taylor Armstrong. Remember from the, from the earlier seasons and her husband, Russell was abusing her.

Nancy: Oh, when he's the one that killed himself, right?

Chris: Yeah. And can be almost like we don't say that, you know, he beats you, we don't say blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now we set it.

And he, like Denise had no reaction to him saying I'm going to crush your hand. So that's okay.

Nancy: This

Chris: is normal behavior. [01:08:00] And if he talks to the Housewives like that out in public, imagine how he probably talks to Denise behind closed doors.

Nancy: Let it man, try to talk to me like that once Rob a motherfucker.

Chris: I mean, he is a good looking guy, but I don't care how good the D is.

I don't know how you can, especially when you have children, especially when you have daughters, how you can. I mean, and it's not as if she is like financially dependent on him or something in the way that Taylor was with Russell where it's like, I don't have any options. I don't have, you know, I'm trapped.

It's like, this is. Someone who has the capability of not being with this guy. Cause I highly doubt he makes any real money, by the way. I'm I'm certain, he's the one living off Denise,

Nancy: Chris. He knows how to cure

Chris: cancer. Okay.

Nancy: Okay. He like. He grew up near the biggest nuclear facility in North America. Like what are you talking about?

He's obviously rolling,

[01:09:00] Chris: but I also wonder if that's part of the reason why she's so freaked out about this coming out about branded, because if in fact Erin isn't aware that she was having an affair with Brandy, or maybe he knew that it was like a onetime thing, but didn't know that it was ongoing or didn't know that it was like an emotional thing as well, that if he has this kind of.

Mercer possessive pathology that I can see why Denise is like, so terrified about getting out because she's afraid of what Aaron's going to do to her. Yeah. But the whole situation is just a huge mess child.

Nancy: I was very. Very surprised because especially if you look at the like, juxtaposition between how he was introduced to the group and now how he acts like it's kind of jarring, he came across as such as like.

Down to earth [01:10:00] guy and Oh, he really loves to niece and he's not judgmental about her past and all the problems she's had with Charlie. And like, because that was such a, like publicly messy divorce and relationship. So it was like, Oh, like what a good guy? Like he understands what she's been through and.

And he's so supportive and he loves her and yeah, they're going to throw together a wedding in four hours because, you know, they just can't wait. They just want to do it. Like it was such a cute, like, Oh, this is a pretty stable, I mean, other than out of all their relationships, like I love Renna and Harry Hamlin's relationship.

I, I think it's so

Chris: good time,

Nancy: girl. She leaned forward. She's going to choke the life.

I, it was so weird. I was not out of all that the plot twists that were going to be coming down the pike, this season, him turning out to be like a serial abuser of [01:11:00] Denise and like, Obviously willing to say some shit on camera. I'm like, Ooh

Chris: girl perched for the rest of the seasons mass and especially the reunion.

Cause this is just

Nancy: always

Chris: the best part of these reality show. Then everyone, everyone gets, could prize good with all the receipts and everything.

People fight about something the entire season.

It's on camera, but they did it.

Nancy: And that's what I love about social media too, because you can watch it. All of them wipe at each other as the episodes are airing of like get back in bed. Like what else happened?

Chris: Yeah.

Nancy: Were they like tagging each other and stuff? And like, this is shady boots business and I'm a thousand percent here for it.

[01:12:00] Chris: So we are going to move into the last segment of our show. At the end of each show, we're going to do a segment called on the couch with wine therapy, where Nancy and I, after having downed, however much wine we drank through the rest of the episode are going to take a stab at answering your. Quite serious questions.

So send in any questions you have any topics you want us to discuss any light problems you've got going on and, we'll do our best to take a stab at giving you the best advice we can. A couple of buying glasses in one, one of the topics I wanted to talk about that I had seen people. I'm talking about on Twitter was what do you do [01:13:00] when you find out that your best friend is being cheated on.

What do you do when you know that their spouse is cheating, but they don't know. What do you do with that information? Are you supposed to tell them, are you supposed to keep it to yourself? do you have receipts to prove it? Are you just suspecting? What do you do? What do you think?

Nancy: So I've actually, I've lived on both sides of this situation, where I knew about it and I said something, and then I know about it.

And I didn't say anything. the first one where I knew about it, it was a weird little triangle and the, the boyfriend. [01:14:00] Was the one that I was good friends with and I was good friends with the person he was cheating with and they kind of were both feeling guilty. So they casually let me know. So I decided to tell like, look, yeah, he's cheating.

And if you ask him about these dates and these times, like here's where he was like, yeah, I didn't want to know about this, but they've vomited all this information all over me and I just, I'm just telling you so you can make it right. And I got a whole lecture about how I'm just jealous and how I'm meddling and none of it, this is true.

And they would never, and. I just can't be happy for them. And so that friendship kind of disintegrated. Then I had a time where I knew, and I didn't say anything. Cause I was like, well, the truth will out, send my fucking business. And I don't have all the receipts. I just know because the girl told me, but I'm just gonna stay out of it.

[01:15:00] And then it came out that I knew and that friendship disintegrated. So I don't feel like I have good advice on

Chris: either. We'll see. The problem is I could, so here's what I would do. I feel like first of all, you don't really want to intervene at all unless you actually know for sure. That's how I feel. If you don't have concrete receipts.

That it's actually happening. If it just a suspicion or rumor, I would not share that with, with your friend, but if you actually know for a fact like an undeniable fact, That they're cheating. Then what I would do is I would go to the spouse and I would say, I know what you're doing. I have receipts. And if you don't tell your, if you don't tell my friend what's going on and come clean, I'm going to tell them and don't just leave it open.

Ended. Give them a date. If you don't tell them [01:16:00] by this date, I'm going to expose here and make them be the ones. To have to tell them so that you're not getting in trouble because what's going to happen is this is what happens when people tell their friend that their spouse is cheating. Either their friend doesn't believe them.

So they side with their spouse and stay with them and they cut you off as a friend. Cause they think, like you said that they think figure jealous. They think that you're trying to metal you're there. You're trying to start drama, whatever the case might be, or maybe they do believe you. And they do break up with the person, but they're still resentful toward you because you indirectly, we're responsible for them finding this out and this all coming out in their relationship dissolving.

So either way it's a lose lose for the person who has the information about their friend. [01:17:00] So the only way I see you coming out of it, Even just remotely clean is if you force the hand of the spouse for them to come clean on their own, but even then you still run the risk of your friend, finding out that you knew.

And that you didn't tell them. So I really don't know. There really is no, like easy, there's no like clear cut way to handle this because you're kind of screwed either way, no matter what you do.

Nancy: Welcome to the advice portion of our podcast, where we pretty much tell you everything's fucked and there's no right way to go about it.

Chris: Well, it is called wine therapist, so they can't expect to get a plus eight plus.

Nancy: Here's what you do when you find out that you have a best friend whose spouse is cheating on them, go to the liquor store, immediately, stock up, go home, and just don't talk to anyone. [01:18:00] Watch love is blind on Netflix or real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Chris: and consider this a

Nancy: tomorrow probably,

Chris: right?

Yeah, exactly. All of our topics on this episode, we're actually leading up to this very, this very segment.

Nancy: To this pivotal information, advice that we're giving you just, here's how you keep your life together. Go to the liquor store, but he'd get ready for

Chris: reality. Are you going to consider, what do you do in a situation?

So let's say it's not cheating, but let's say, you don't like the way that the spouse treats your friend.

Nancy: And while I'll voice that shit immediately,

Chris: you know, and maybe it's not physical abuse, although that could be it, but maybe it's you don't like the way that they talk to them, the way that they treat them.

Do you say, do you say something [01:19:00] to him? Do you say something to both of them? Do you say something to your friend privately? how do you deal with that? Or do you just keep it to yourself? Because it's not your relationship and you're just minding your business.

Nancy: I mean, Aye. Honestly, what would probably happen is if I saw some sort of interaction in a group setting, I could a thousand percent see myself doing this.

I'm kind of a Dick. I'd probably just fully call him out in front of everyone with some kind of joke, like, all right there, Ike Turner, that was a really harsh shit to say, like, and just. I try to almost publicly embarrass them a little bit about it. I, I will say out of

Chris: you're good at like diffusing situations with humor.

So it's like, I think that's, you know, you could do it in a way that it like gets the point across, but doesn't make you look like an asshole, but most people probably aren't capable of doing that.

Nancy: Oh my God. Well, thank you. [01:20:00] But now I think, I do think that, and it's like when I'm on Reddit reading some of the like advice things, and like the relationship subreddit where I'm like, how are these real things that get posted?

Like, I, I know a lot of women put up with some just straight fuckery and bullshit from, from men and I. I keep telling some of my girlfriends, how it's like deep, clean 20, 20, like the years, pretty much canceled. We're all quarantining. If there was ever a time in life to break something shitty habits that you have it's now.

And if it, if there was a time to like excommunicate old school, Amish style, people that are bad influences or toxic influences in your life, that now is the time. So I've

Chris: watched

Nancy: some of my friends really tolerate shitty behavior because some people truly do think like, well, I'd rather have this and be [01:21:00] alone.

Like, fuck that noise. I would much rather. Hang out with my cat and get super drunk and watch things and then settle for someone that's going to treat me like shit.

Chris: You just described my life for the past three months, but okay. Hanging

Nancy: out with your cat, getting drunk. I love it. And

Chris: I have an excuse. I haven't been able to leave the house.

It's been a quarantine. Okay. Shit.

Nancy: Hey, I've been quarantining. I've been very responsible with my quarantining. I wear my gloves when I go out and my mask, we just opened up on Friday. Like 50% capacity for restaurants. And I actually was like, maybe I'll go down to one. And then I walked past and saw no one with a fucking mask on and a huge line where everyone was like maybe six inches apart.

And I was like, Oh, new, new, new, new, new, I'm take my ass home. I will do to go. It is a grub hub kind of night. No, but I do, I do.

Chris: I've had situations where, like I [01:22:00] have a good friend who has. Gone through some very shady boyfriends in the past and one in particular, actually, no, there were two in particular that none of her friends liked.

And we didn't tell her,

Nancy: say, we're talking about me.

Chris: It's fine. It's not you.

But none of her friends liked. And she only found out that we didn't like them after the fact. And she was like, why didn't you guys say anything in a, why didn't you tell me? And you know, it's like you say that, but I feel like it's easy for you to say that now because you're not with them anymore. But I feel like if we had tried to say something at the time, you wouldn't have listened, you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have taken our advice.

So we just kept our mouth shut.

Nancy: I mean, I feel like bad relationship. Ship's parallel with like drug addiction. Like you kind of have to hit rock bottom before you see all the shit that's going on. [01:23:00] As you can proudly attest to everyone. I have not had good luck and I have, yeah, I've had some real, not winners, but I have been lucky in the sense that my friends have called out directly.

Like. Hey, he's kind of a piece of shit and treats you like really terrible. And in the moment I, you know, the Rose colored glasses are on him. No, you guys just don't like using, just don't know him. Like I know him, but in every single instance instance, they were correct that that person was an asshole and treating me poorly.

I'm happy that all my friends have been vocal with me and. That makes me the second. I know that people that are important in my life are like on board with someone. Then I actually have the ability to be even more excited, but I'm thankful for every single time any of my friends present company included have called me out on like, Nah, honey, [01:24:00] he's a piece of shit you should know.

And do you think this is normal because sometimes you get wrapped up in the whirlwind and you can't really see the forest through the trees,

Chris: but let's be real. Yeah. If you were in a relationship where you were like, you've been dating for a while and you're like, this is my soulmate. Like everything is going so great.

I love everything about them. I can see me getting married to this person and having children like. This is the person. And then I, or one of your other friends said to you, I don't like this guy. I think he's shiesty. I think he's shady. I don't like something, as he says, you you're telling me that it would make you reconsider or your relationship.

That

Nancy: would make me very heavily pause if you, so if you met the new boy that's been hanging around and you said to me from after a phone conversation, like, I don't like I'm not into it. I would have a very [01:25:00] like, Okay. Let me, let me really think about this. Cause, cause God, I don't even, how many years now have we known each other?

What are we 80? How many years?

Chris: I don't know. It's

Nancy: been a long time. So it does make me, and let's not kid ourselves. I was not always that way. But now that I'm a thousand years old and I've been shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty, said, he said, he said, he said shitty relationships and how I've seen people.

Important to me in my life, react to them. I definitely, I take it much more seriously now as I'm older. Cause I was completely retired from dating. That was like a whole moment where I was like, I'm just gonna focus on me and my cat. And obviously I keep fucking it up and not meeting the right ones and things keep going wrong.

So I just don't want to date. Anybody. I

Chris: just want to be by myself. It's around you retired from dating.

Nancy: I did. I deleted [01:26:00] everything.

Chris: A girl. How many times and re installed the apps

Nancy: I'm drunk. And I

Chris: always like I'm deleting, I'm deleting Tinder. I'm deleting everything and bitch, a month later, you're back on swipe and left swipe and right.

Cause sometimes I just get bored,

Nancy: but, but it's just like, I'll read, download, and it's just swiping and messaging. And then like, mainly I'm like, I can't wait to get a screenshot of me saying something funny that embarrasses the other guy where I have to get that unmatch. I, that let me tell you that is like, Cocaine to me at this point, when they send an opening line or I send an opening line and then whatever they come back with.

And I just say something that makes them so uncomfortable, they have to unmatch. I had a guy message me opening message. The last girl I met from here said she was going to put my Dick in a jar. Please be different. So my [01:27:00] response was

Chris: okay.

Nancy: Are you opposed to mantels? I dusted yesterday and then I was like 10 minutes of nothing.

And then I just said, plus I'm out of jars, immediate unmatched, but to me, that's hilarious. So that's out. I just kind of like bullshit and waste my time. So I've done. I downloaded them and not re downloaded them. but not like met up with anybody. It's just me on there. Sending horrible jokes and puns.

Chris: Yeah.

Nancy: Yeah. I was, I was retired. Everything was deleted. And I was like, yeah, I'm done with dating, just going to do the cat lady thing and travel all the time. And then I was like, Oh, the world is ending. Let me just download stuff. Cause this will be really fun because people are going to be desperate to talk to anybody.

Chris: huh.

Nancy: Okay. I hear you. Okay. That's fine.

Chris: That's fine. Okay, Ramona.

Nancy: Oh bitch, [01:28:00] that that's hurtful.

Chris: Not sleeping with anybody right now. I'm not dating anybody right now. I'm just enjoying my single life girl.

Nancy: Fast forward. 5.2 seconds.

Oh, Ramona. Oh God.

Chris: That is it for our very first episode. We did it. I hope you guys enjoyed it next time. I promise it will be shorter. Could still figuring out the flow of things and how long it takes for us to dive into each topic. So our goal is going to be to have them under an hour. We'll get that figured out by the next time.

But, please download, subscribe through Apple podcasts, [01:29:00] Google podcasts, wherever you listen to your podcasts, give us a review. If you can, hopefully you finished your wine and if not, and they should now, and we will see you next time. Thanks for joining us. Bye.