Episode 2: Amy Cooper, Vanderpump Racists, and COVID19 Dating

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So we are seeing some of these people start to see some consequences for the shit that they're doing. It seems every other week there's a new  Karen video that goes viral, where some white woman is being racist or doing something stupid and she gets doxed and loses her job or worse. and the biggest one that's happened recently is this woman.

Amy Cooper in New York city. I'm gonna play the clip, but, essentially. She, this was on, I believe, Saturday  in central park. and she's a white woman. She was walking her dog. There was a black man named Christian Cooper, no relation who is a birdwatcher now he's like a Marvel star Wars, you know, fanboy geek, who is a birdwatcher on, you know, in his spare time.

And he. Didn't like the fact that she was illegally walking her dog in central park without a leash. And you asked her to put the dog on a leash and she refused. And so he started recording her. And this is what happened.

Nancy: [00:03:43] Wait, stop. Sorry. I'm asking

Chris: [00:03:45] you to stop, please. Don't come close to me, sir. I'm asking you to stop, please.

Don't come, please. Don't come closer, please. Please call the cops. Please call the cops.

Nancy: [00:03:57] I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life.

Chris: [00:04:00] Please tell them whatever you like. I'm sorry. Under the Lambo. And there was a man African American. He has a place he's recording me and threatening me and my dog.

There was an African American man.

Nancy: [00:04:14] He was recording me,

Chris: [00:04:15] written myself and my dog.

Nancy: [00:04:22] I'm sorry, I can't hear who either. I'm thinking threatened by a man

Chris: [00:04:25] and the cops immediately.

I don't know. Yeah. So that's what happened by the way, those, sounds that you get here in the background where the sound of her choking the shit out of her dog and almost killing him probably.

Nancy: [00:04:49] She lost her dog from what I saw in line sheets.

Chris: [00:04:53] And then they got it. She got it back, unfortunately. So

Nancy: [00:04:57] look, I'm just going to say this I'm a white woman.

I don't understand whatever reflex or wiring that all these Karen's have like, Oh, look a black person minding their business. I should get the police involved in this. I just, I don't get barbecue, Becky, the same thing. Like, I don't understand these people are living their lives, leave them alone. Why do you need to get all up in their kitchen?

Leave them alone .They're not bothering you.

Chris: [00:05:25] She was the one who was actually breaking the law. She was in a part of the park where your dogs are not supposed to be awfully issue. And from what I read, there were a lot of other people who recognized her and said, she's does this all the time. Or she brings her dog there and the dog is not an elite.

And so she was on notice that she's not supposed to have her dog unleashed there. And by the way, She had all of her social media has been scrubbed, of course, but, but she, she had an ins, a personal Instagram and an Instagram for her dog. Someone did a, but before she deleted it, they screenshotted all of her posts on her dog's Instagram and almost every fucking week was a different post of, of the dog being injured.

 one week, it would be like, Oh, you know, Sadie fell down the stairs and broke her leg and you see the dog, like with a cast on or, Oh, she choked on something cause I, I lost control of her in the park and you know, I am so happy that I was able to perform the Heimlich and save her. That was the most recent one, I think just before this incident.

Which, by the way, you would think that if you lost control of your dog and she found something in the park and ate it and choked on it, that that would then prompt you to not bring her back to the park without a leash.

Nancy: [00:06:57] Yeah. You're bringing logic to this situation,

Chris: [00:07:00] but there were like a dozen posts like that, about this dog and different injuries.

So it was like, Holy shit. Is this like a fucking gypsy Rose type situation? This is like, Munchausen's by proxy. Is it like a really old dog? I don't, I don't remember

Nancy: [00:07:23] dogs over the years and I could probably count on a couple of fingers. The amount of times they've been like injured, except when they get like old, old, and then it's not even really injured.

It's just, they have different problems that come up. So what kind of. What kind of Michael Vick dog fighting dog

Chris: [00:07:42] either she's abusing the dog. and the injuries are real because clearly no animal gets into this many number of quote unquote accidents this often, or the injuries are fake and she's just using it as way to get attention.

On social media, either way, there's something wrong with her and they should have to taking the dog away and kept it away from her because I just, I don't know. I don't know what the policy is of this particular dog shelter, but given what we saw on the video, I really don't know how they can justify giving the animal back.

Sure. But, would be the guy who, the black guy who is, Who had the police called on him? He's actually very cute. If you want to look them up Christian Cooper, he's like 50 years old, but he's actually hot and like has big muscles, but he, his sister is the one who posted the video. and I think now it's gotten something like 40 million views.

at least on Twitter and that doesn't count how many it got on Facebook and Instagram and on the news. Cause it was everywhere. But what I found, so kind of chilling about that video was she, as a white woman, clearly knew that she had the power of her white woman tears to call the police and say, a black man is threatening me and I need the police.

When it's clear from the video she wasn't being threatened. She wasn't scared. He wasn't doing anything to her. In fact, she was the one walking aggressively toward him and he was telling her don't come close to me. So she knew that if she called the police and said, you know, Oh, this man's recording the, I don't want him to record me.

They'd laugh her off and hang up on her. So instead she said, let me go with what I know will not only get the police to come, but it will get them to come with the guns blazing and they will show up all riled up and ready to pull out their guns and shoot them and have this extreme reaction to him.

When they arrive here, she wanted him to be terrorized. She wanted him to be terrified of the consequences of daring to challenge a white woman.

Nancy: [00:10:03] What do you think she was expecting him to say?

Chris: [00:10:07] I think that he would acquiesce and genuinely be afraid of what would happen if you stuck around and just leave.

Nancy: [00:10:15] I love with confidence in his voice when he says, please do

Chris: [00:10:19] they did. And they both did end up leaving the scene. And I believe once the police got there, neither of them were there. So nothing. So no action was taken, but, You know, imagine how differently that could have gone. Had they showed up thinking that this woman was being, you know, assaulted or worse by this man.

How many times do you think people show up and assume that a black person, particularly a black man is the aggressor or is the, or, you know, take for granted that they've done something wrong and respond accordingly? I mean, I've seen in the past couple of weeks, numerous cases where the black people are the ones who actually called the police because white people were doing something to them.

And when the police showed up, they arrested them without asking questions, they just arrested the black person. So the, at the very end of that video, I'm going to play that part again. But the very end of the video, you can hear her ratchet up the drama. And all of a sudden start crying, fake crying, and it's, it's kind of chilling just to see how quickly she goes into that.

Nancy: [00:11:41] I'm sorry. I can't hear who either.

Chris: [00:11:43] I think threatened by a man immediately.

I don't know. I mean, Are you a sociopath seriously? Like she should get a fucking Academy award for that performance. Nothing was happening to her. So what, why the app, why this whole, because she knew what it meant. She knew what it meant to be a white woman in trouble. You remember that scene from scary movie where Sydney or whatever the character's name was that aunt Ana has played.

Cindy, she is on her computer wanting help and she types in a white woman in trouble. And all of a sudden, a millisecond later, all the police show up with like the SWAT teams and firetrucks and helicopters and every fucking thing else. I mean, it's funny. But it, it reflects the reality. And, you know, there were, there have been thousands upon thousands of black men who have been murdered over the course of time in the name of some white woman in trouble.

And it's just really scary to see that it's still just as effective today as it's ever been. And by the way, Because so many white Democrats and white liberals want to say every time they see some form of racism. Oh, it's Trump. It's Trump. It's a, it's a Republican, it's a Trump supporter. It's a maggot person.

Actually. Amy Cooper is a Northeastern white, liberal Democrat who supported, Progressive's progressive politicians like Zephyr Teachout. It was, she had posted that type of stuff on her Instagram before it was deleted. So let's not pretend that racism is something that's only found on the Republican side, because I can guarantee you that black people, if you actually talk to them and listen, they will tell you about racism.

They've experienced from white people in the North and the South and the East and the West in rural America, in suburban America, in the big cities. It's everywhere. And so stop trying to minimize the issue and trying to absolve yourself and your friends and your family and your neighbors from this issue by claiming that it only happens in the South or that it only happens.

It's only Republicans. No, it's not actually. And so this is something that everybody needs to be talking about, but, So, you know, that was the most egregious one, but there've been so many others that have happened. there was just one, the other day where a Hispanic man was, I believe writing black lives in that, or in chalk, on his own property, in a very wealthy neighborhood in San Francisco.

And, this white couple came up to him and started harassing him. And telling him, you know, you don't live here. Can you just stop writing that? We know the owners you need to leave. We're going to call the police, which they did. And the guy saying, I don't owe you any explanations. You don't know the owners.

You don't know if I own this house or not. It has nothing to do with you. Leave me alone, go away. And they continue sitting there harassing him. They did call the police. The police came. And I don't even think the police got out of their car. They just basically did a drive by and was like, peace. This is some bullshit.

But it turns out that in fact, this Hispanic man that they were harassing was in fact the homeowner. And so they clearly didn't know the person who owned the house. Like they claimed they did. And just yesterday, the woman. Involved. It was found out that she was the she's the CEO of some big maker, not big, but some makeup company called like LaFace, makeup or whatever.

And her, the, the, the website for her makeup line crossed the, she deleted that the company's Instagram and it appears that the only like real business. That her company had was with Birchbox and Birchbox terminated her contract. Her entire business basically just went under overnight. And then I just read this morning that her husband was fired as well from whatever job he had.

So good luck affording the mortgage and not expensive as house in San Francisco bitch, because you don't have a job. You neither of you have jobs and. that Hispanic guy that you were harassing is

laughing. Getting to some on, on this issue of keratins and white people calling the police on me for another glass of wine on this shit. Yes. So let's move on to talking about what is happening. With this cast of Vanderpump rules. Yeah. Vanderpump rules. If you don't know, is a reality show on Bravo, that is if you've ever seen the Hills or Laguna beach, imagine that, but set in a couple of restaurants in West Hollywood

Nancy: [00:17:17] where STDs,

Chris: [00:17:19] right?

Yes. It's based on a woman named Lisa Vanderpump who was a housewife. On real Housewives of Beverly Hills was a housewife. She's not on it anymore. And she is a wealthy white lady in Beverly Hills who owned several restaurants. She and her husband, re I think she owns three restaurants, Villa Blanca.

Sir. And, now new one named Tom, Tom, I'm sorry. No, then there's also, so for, but only, two of those restaurants really show up when Vanderpump rules. sir, and Tom, Tom, and this show basically follows the staff and you've seen some people and go over the years. Some of them leaves. Some come back.

but it's essentially a bunch of young people who are drunk and, you know, 35 year olds acting like they're 16, sleeping with each other, getting into fights, and just really petty, immature drama that is mindless fun to watch you're drunk. It's a Saturday. Do you got nothing else to do? Yes. Two of the cast members on this show, Stasi and Kristin were two white women who are well I'm actually, it was kind of confused because this the most recent season ends, but they're not being friends.

So I don't know how, I don't know what happened since then, but, the whole show is white people. Basically. There's only one. A black cast member that's ever been on. I think her name is faith. She was only, only like a couple of episodes. And there were some big controversy with her, you know, a while back because she slept with.

This guy named Jax, who was in a relationship with another girl named Brittany. And it was a whole sorted thing because apparently she was like taking care of some elderly person or something. And she brought Jack over to have sex, like in the elderly person's house, like while she was supposed to be taking care of them.

And it was just a whole mess, but so, you know, faith, isn't exactly an angel, but nobody knows, nor is anybody else on the show. They all. They all sleep with each other, cheat on their spouses with, with their best friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, everything else says what it's all about, but they don't like faith and they've never treated her very well over the years.

So apparently, and maybe, you know, more about this tour than I do Nancy, but maybe, there, there was a woman who was wanted by the police. and I don't know what she was wanted for, you know, Burglary

Nancy: [00:20:02] I believe.

Chris: [00:20:03] Okay. Yeah. So there was some burglary that happened and I guess the police had an image of her.

the only image I saw was like black and whites. Maybe it was like a night vision video or something,

essentially Kristin and Stasi decided to call the police and tell them that the woman in the video that they were looking for was wanted for this burglary was their castmates face. And you can look up the picture, but I've seen it and it doesn't look anything like her. You can clearly tell. I mean, I've only seen the girl a couple of times on the show and I can tell this is not her.

So clearly people who actually know her in real life and interact with her face to face can tell that isn't her. But I guess they, because they don't like her, they were just being bitchy mean, girls. And decided they were going to call the police and tell them that this was the person they were looking for.

Nancy: [00:21:00] And I don't know, Jax was tweeting all over the place about how she's wanted for grand theft auto. And she went AWOL from the military when she got her stint on whatever that new MTV show was that she got on. I don't really watch one too, but when she got on that new show, Jax was blowing her up via Twitter.

Like that's probably not smart, you know? To go on a reality show, you know, after you've committed all these grinds, like, Whoa.

Chris: [00:21:28] Yeah. Jackson's a pretty terrible person. if you, if you don't watch the show, I mean, it's, it's almost like dealing with a, like a West Hollywood version of Donald Trump. Like he's, he's, Grace's, he's homophobic, he's a narcissist, he's an idiot.

He is just, I mean, he like, backstabs every single one of his friends. He has no loyalty to anyone. He's just an awful, awful. And I don't know why anyone remains friends with him. I don't know why Brittany remains married to him. Well

Nancy: [00:22:02] there's theories on the subreddit that he has some significant dirt on like shorts and Sandoval.

And that's why they will not like betray him is because he apparently has some sort of crazy receipts that they really don't know out, which I can't imagine anyone having anything on me that I would be like, I'm going to tolerate this for years. I'd be like, just leak it. I don't care.

Chris: [00:22:25] Yeah. Well, I mean, what could it be?

I mean, every, every terrible thing that there could be has happened on this show already

Nancy: [00:22:33] gone into his, replies ever on Twitter.

Chris: [00:22:36] I have never even been on Jackson's Twitter page.

Nancy: [00:22:40] He's very nasty to anyone that makes any sort of comment, like someone on Reddit the other day, compiled, like there's new Instagram accounts starting up like accountability for Staffie cancel Jack Taylor.

Yeah. All this stuff, is being posted and it's just. Whoever these Reddit people are like, God, I love the internet. Whoever these Reddit people are that are going through and just compiling massive photo albums of receipts of him, like saying awful, like. Transphobic mean-spirited comments to people that they're not even adding him when they say it.

They're just saying like, yeah. Episode, I think whatever. And he's like, you're

Chris: [00:23:25] pimply

Nancy: [00:23:26] face you stupid loser. Like he all the time, whenever it's a dude and it's like, his profile picture is him and a woman. It's like, Oh yeah. So you had to get a beard. And I don't mean the facial hair, obviously like. Just if you ever, I mean, I can't go through his replies anymore.

Cause I'm blocked. He can see just the wait, why do you

Chris: [00:23:47] lost? You

Nancy: [00:23:49] tweeted a negative comment.

Chris: [00:23:52] Wait for that. How would

Nancy: [00:23:54] he know? So now I just have to rely on Reddit for my Jax Taylor updates.

Chris: [00:23:59] Yeah. Open up his Twitter in an incognito tab. Ooh,

Nancy: [00:24:05] I'm

Chris: [00:24:06] I'm, that's weird. Sure.

Nancy: [00:24:07] That's how I

Chris: [00:24:08] have to see back in McCain's tweets because she blows, Oh my God.

Nancy: [00:24:12] All I do on Twitter is hit retweet. That's the only, I rarely ever, I think the last thing I actually tweeted said that it made sense that all my Instagram ads were for therapy or golf, clothing smell. Like I don't really. I just pop on there, but Reddit's doing all their homework and,

Chris: [00:24:27] yeah, the sleuths are insane.

I mean, they, I went on there the other day because I was like, I knew what had happened with Brit, with Kristen and Stasi. but they were also talking about, Oh, Lala needs to be fired. Brittany needs to be fired. Jackson needs to be off fired.

Nancy: [00:24:43] Oh, they started a massive thread, like with screenshots and links to everything for every single person.

And the crazy thing too, because I don't know if you saw this, did you see that Stasi mother contacted Bravo and like begged for her job back and then tried to start a hashtag of like stand up for Stasi and then stasis little brother apparently did a whole Instagram video about. Why she should be forgiven.

And it was so long ago and that's not really who she is. I mean, this is really some white lady shit. My mom to call my job.

Chris: [00:25:22] Yeah. And your little brother, I mean, that's just disgusting.

Nancy: [00:25:27] Well, and now she's pregnant and they got that big

Chris: [00:25:29] house, right? Yeah. So she's, she just announced the other day that she hadn't Bo are pregnant with child.

And on this, on this season of show, at the end of the season, they buy a house, which I'm certain that they can't afford without money from Bravo. So. I don't know what the hell I'm on

Nancy: [00:25:46] Instagram. They're screenshotting all the people who've made form letters on Reddit for you to send to the entire contact list of all the people that they do, like sponsored ads and stuff for, and now people are going on the subreddit and screenshotting back responses from the company where they're like, That's that's correct.

This is not an indicative of our morals or our company's values. We've ended our partnership with Stasi. Like her PR firm dropped her Kristen's book, just got dropped, which I don't know who would be reading a book about. Dating advice or men from, I mean, don't get me wrong. I have not, I'm not known for making wise choices with men either, but Jesus, I can't imagine what kind of shenanigans is in that book.

Chris: [00:26:34] Yeah.

First fo all, I highly doubt she even wrote it. So we've got, so CA Christina saucy were fired. Let's make that clear. They were, they were fired from the show and, also to other cast members, you know, Kristen and Stasi were original cast members. Like from the first season the show has been on, I think like how many years? Seven years. Eight years.

Yeah. But Christian doesn't even

Nancy: [00:26:58] work at Sur anymore. So I was always confused why she was still in the mix,

Chris: [00:27:02] but so there's, but there's two other cast members who are brand new. Max and Brett who were also fired in the same, firing as saucy and Kristen, because of tweets that they had made, that were racist.

And I, and I think there were sexist ones as well, and probably homophobic. I mean, it's probably, there's probably the whole gamut of bigotry on their feeds, but all

Nancy: [00:27:26] of these they're just double dipping.

Chris: [00:27:31] Change it up. But the people had in the course of the season, discovered these tweets from max and Brett.

And they were, I mean, they were tweets from before they were on the show, but people expose them, you know, after they popped up on, on, on this show as new cast members. And what I find interesting is will they be interested in cause not the right word, but they address. The tweets from max and Brett on the reunion, on the Vanderpump rules reunion, they devoted maybe 30 seconds to talking about it.

And Andy was basically like, well, so do you guys want to say anything about this? And they give like some half-assed half-baked apology and that was it. And then they just move on. And I think Lisa said something like, you know, I wasn't aware of this and you know, this was before they were working for me.

And, you know, I know them personally and I don't think that they're racist and blah, blah, blah. And

Nancy: [00:28:33] cause that's how it works.

Chris: [00:28:34] Right. And. So I'm confused. So I guess it's only now because of these protests that are happening, that suddenly Bravos decided to get woke and not tolerate racism. Hm. Interesting.

Well, you

Nancy: [00:28:49] know how the Kristin and Stasi thing came out. Right?

Chris: [00:28:53] Well, that's what I was going to ask was, I didn't know if did faith expose them or did they admit publicly that they called the police on her?

Nancy: [00:29:01] So. And I probably should have looked this up. I can't remember. It's another MTV of like personality was doing an Instagram live and faith, whatever MTV show that she did on, I guess that's how she knows this check.

So they were doing an Instagram live and she, you just spilled all that tea on Instagram live and then it immediately got picked up. Like, I'm pretty sure there were unions were already filmed when this happened.

It

Chris: [00:29:29] was like, which faith know that it was them who called the police.

Nancy: [00:29:33] Because Stasi was sharing that information in an interview that faith overheard on a podcast, where the episode has now been deleted, but she was talking about it about like that.

Yeah, I think it was called like the bitch Bible or something, just some podcast and the person that runs that podcast issued a statement, but, on Instagram, But, yeah, it's just because faith happened to be on this Instagram live and they were talking about black lives matter and everything that's going on.

And she talked about what it was like to be the only person of color. she talked about how Lisa Vanderpump told her to try to be like Nini leaks.

Chris: [00:30:13] Oh my God. Are you fucking serious? Yeah. Oh my God. Aye. Aye.

Nancy: [00:30:22] Sounds like I'm going to be shorted some articles tonight. That's what Lisa told her that she said it was important that, you know, what's diverse, but just try to act like, try to bring some color to the show.

Try to be like me.

Chris: [00:30:35] Oh my God. I mean, that's like when black actresses go in for an audition and they're like, mom, we need you to be more urban. Can you do it again? But can you just be more. Street, which of course they, but they basically mean you're not black enough. They want you to make it black or they want you to be more stereotypical and be their idea of what a black person is.

So for Lisa Vanderpump to say something like that, I mean, obviously, you know, if it's true, it's pretty terrible. But, the, I just, I think it's interesting that these are things that happened and. They didn't really seem to care that much about it until all of a sudden racial justice became, you know, in the Zeit Geist.

And now they want to do all these firings, but I want to address one thing quickly before we move on that, because this is not stasis first rodeo with racism. She has her own podcast. I forget what it's called.

Nancy: [00:31:36] Well, good luck finding it now, girl.

Chris: [00:31:40] Yeah, no, she's she's wherever her podcast is, is, or was it's no longer running, but, she had this podcast and there was a podcast episode she did when Moonlight won the Oscar.

And it was, it got controversy at the time they discussed it on the show. I guess she did some, you know, apology  I'm sorry, if you were offended, apologies. And it got swept under the rug and they kept it pushing, but I just think it's interesting that now all of a sudden Bravo cares about racism when this is what Stasi was saying.

not too long ago,

Nancy: [00:32:25] I'm going to offend a lot of people right now, but I'm going to do it in a way where I hope that people don't get offended.

Chris: [00:32:30] I'm like really sick of everyone

Nancy: [00:32:32] making everything about race.

Chris: [00:32:34] Yeah,

Nancy: [00:32:34] like I'm kind of over it.

Chris: [00:32:36] And I know that I am the one person. Who's not allowed to say that because I am

Nancy: [00:32:40] white privileged blonde, 28 year old.

So I get that. I'm saying it.

Chris: [00:32:46] I know, but I have a podcast

Nancy: [00:32:49] and

Chris: [00:32:50] it's an outlet

Nancy: [00:32:50] to say what I think. And if you don't want, like what I think what I have to say, then

Chris: [00:32:55] you don't have to listen to it.

Nancy: [00:32:55] You can turn it off and, or unfollow me, whatever, whatever,

Chris: [00:32:58] but like,

Nancy: [00:32:59] Everyone giving their impassioned speeches about

Chris: [00:33:02] race and all of that stuff.

I'm like, why is it

Nancy: [00:33:05] always

Chris: [00:33:06] just about African Americans? Like,

Nancy: [00:33:08] why aren't the Asians being like, we're not represented

Chris: [00:33:11] why aren't like, I

Nancy: [00:33:12] don't know, like native Americans and Latinos being like, we're not represented.

Chris: [00:33:16] Why is it that they're like, it's always just that. And then like whenever they get up.

Then everybody has to go above and beyond to then make them

Nancy: [00:33:24] happy. And I hate saying a word to them, cause I'm not, not, not,

Chris: [00:33:29] not everybody's the same.

Nancy: [00:33:31] So I get, I mean,

Chris: [00:33:31] the ones that are like out there bitching about things, because it's not, I don't think people aren't

Nancy: [00:33:38] being

Chris: [00:33:38] nominated because of their skin color.

Nancy: [00:33:40] Maybe you weren't

Chris: [00:33:41] nominated last year cause you didn't do that.

Nancy: [00:33:43] Great. Yeah,

Chris: [00:33:44] we got it. So yeah. And that was 2017, by the way, that podcast episode air.

Nancy: [00:33:58] Yeah, with the, like maybe your movie. Wasn't that good? Oh, you mean there's so many black films that come out every year with predominantly. You know, casting people of color, like the thought that it was just like that all those movies are there.

They were just like shittily made like, no, there is no representation. That's the whole point of why people were

Chris: [00:34:20] upset. Yeah. That she's saying basically what she's doing is she's being racist, but she's trying to disguise her racism by saying, Oh, it's not the fact that I'm upset that they're. I'm talking about racism.

It's the fact that why is it only about black people and not about, you know, Asians and Latinos and native Americans? Why aren't they speaking up as well? Well, guess what bitch, they have been

Nancy: [00:34:46] parasite. Just one best movie. Last

Chris: [00:34:50] been for many, many years. You weren't aware of it because you weren't, you didn't care.

You weren't looking, you weren't listening, but for you to try to sit there and, you know, hide behind. It's really just that I don't understand why there's so much attention about black people specifically, as opposed to other races, when really you just don't want people to be talking about race period, because you don't care because you're a racist and.

Just the, the level of tone, deafness, the level of ignorance, the level of narcissism, it just it's it's truly mind blowing, but, you know, so that, that clip from her podcast episode started getting circulated again, after she got fired for this other infraction by calling the police. But it's like, okay, well, You didn't take action then when she clearly outed herself as a racist.

And although I do think that was the season when she got phased out of the show, but I think, I don't remember if that was because that was, she left LA then to go marry her boyfriend, who she was living with. I don't remember.

Nancy: [00:36:00] Well, they didn't get married. They were just. Was that the shitty one?

Chris: [00:36:05] Yeah. I forget the guy's name, but the one who, when she came back to the show, they were together and then their relationship was a fucking disaster.

Yeah. And he like said all these offensive things to Lisa

Nancy: [00:36:16] about her ass.

Chris: [00:36:18] Yeah. Yeah. Which I think she, he was like her meal ticket basically. And so once they. Once they broke up, it was like, well, she got to come crawling back to Vanderbilt.

So, moving into her on the couch segment for today. We're still dealing with the fallout of COVID-19 shockingly. Now, even though it's meant July and we started this ship back in March. so yeah, a lot of our States shut down. A lot of them opened back up,

Nancy: [00:37:12] a lot. We're going to shut down.

Chris: [00:37:14] Yes.

Shutting down again. and I mean, it's still a bad situation out there. I think places like Florida, Arizona, a couple of other States, there are literally now having to turn people away from emergency rooms because they don't have any space anymore. Cause they've, they've, they've run out of ICU space and now they're using beds in the emergency room as a makeshift ICU.

So. If you've got a broken leg, if you,

yeah. Good luck. but so w so there's a lot of people still in the midst of fight quarantining, and which, by the way, if you're traveling to New York, From any of the, these messy States that still have all these reflections, you have to do a mandatory orientation for 14 days after coming here. just FYI.

so the question is how have people been dealing with trying to date during COVID-19? I mean, this hasn't been this isn't like a quick process. It's been since more. I think, I think it was mid March when. The lockdown started. And so what do you do if like you meet someone on a dating app, you, you know, start talking, texting, maybe you even went out on a date or two before the whole thing started.

what do you do and how, how do you, how would you date when you can't leave your

Nancy: [00:38:48] fucking out? I definitely early on in quarantine, I was like, bored. Not really. I can only watch all these different movies or shows so many times. Maybe I should just read, download the dating apps and troll dudes for funny screenshots that I can send to my friends.

So I read downloaded the dating apps, and I even went as far to do like quote unquote Skype first dates, which you want to talk about cringe central, Yeah, where it's just me awkwardly sitting there. Oh yeah. I'm not a video chat thing. I don't like if I could meet men in the dark, I like that's the upside about the whole COVID-19 thing is when they asked to put the bag on my head.

Now it's not because of my face. It's for safety. but I, I was like, well, let me just see what's out there. Everyone's bored. Everyone's losing their minds. Let's just see if obviously people are home and like, Want to talk, which is honestly, that was one of my favorite things about Gordon Dean talking to people.

Like, I don't know why he hasn't texted me back, girl. Everyone's at home. Okay. He don't want to talk to you, text him,

Chris: [00:39:58] right? Like there's no, there's no excuses. Yeah.

Nancy: [00:40:01] He's not at the movies. He's not, you know. but I did a couple of Skype dates, which were sufficiently awkward. but I have a friend who.

Met this guy on a dating app, they got along really well back and forth, texting phone calls, all this stuff. And she just said, all right, I'm going to go pack a bag and quarantine with him for 14 days. So can you imagine your first, like in real life date being a 14 day quarantine, she like took her dog with her

Chris: [00:40:34] my card.

Nancy: [00:40:36] Yeah. And then I have, I have another person. Who is talking to someone, not from a dating app, but someone that they met online on it, like video gaming thing. And this person lives in Alabama and she is contemplating right now, crossing multiple state lines for them to meet.

Chris: [00:40:55] She lives in Alabama or the guidance the

Nancy: [00:40:58] guy does.

She lives here on the East coast.

Chris: [00:41:01] Gotcha. So, and so they were, how long were they talking before? She just was like, I'm driving cross country

Nancy: [00:41:13] a month. The thing though, I can't shade it too much because my current boyfriend and I met amidst the apocalypse because it would take the apocalypse for me to find a man that'll stick around.

but we face timed every day for like 34 days straight. And then when we made the decision to meet it was we are going to quarantine and be responsible. And if you turn out to be an asshole, I there's a holiday in nearby. Very lovely. you can go stay there. but it, ours luckily worked out well, but I can't wait to hear some of the train wreck stories coming out of people who I showed up to quarantine with him.

And I'm on the second day I found out like, you know, he. He shits the bed or like just something ridiculous or like, yeah, I got there and he had a really extensive doll collection. Like the ones that are just going to be so out of left field.

Chris: [00:42:08] Yeah. Well, so she, so she did actually drive to Alabama. She

Nancy: [00:42:18] did.

And

Chris: [00:42:21] what happened?

Nancy: [00:42:23] TBD? Haven't heard back hope you're out there, girl.

Chris: [00:42:29] Yeah.

Nancy: [00:42:30] I mean,

Chris: [00:42:32] GPS tracking on

Nancy: [00:42:35] me

Chris: [00:42:35] find my iPhone share

Nancy: [00:42:38] ETA. I'm assuming it went well. I haven't talked to her since, before she, right before she left, so I don't know. But. That's I guess that's part of this whole new normal is right. I mean,

Chris: [00:42:54] so it's like, we don't know when, I mean, when this whole thing first happened.

I think we all assumed that it was going to be like, okay, we're locked down for, you know, a couple of weeks a month or so. And then things were going to go back to normal. I don't think any of us anticipated that it was going to be like, Okay. It's July and we're still, I, my thought was by July is when things were going to finally start hoping opening back up and going back to normal.

But here we are, and that's true in a sense that everything started opening back up, but now it's all happening again. So, so our single people supposed to just not date indefinitely until. Until, you know, because what do you do you, I will say in New York, at least, I don't know how it is in other places that are dealing with the lockdown.

I mean, New York, I think has been the most. I'm responsible and thank God for governor Cuomo. Who's like not giving a shit about political pressure at all. And it's just like, we're not opening things back up until the numbers are right until we're doing it like safely and correctly. And so if you have a problem with it, Chuck, my dad, but.

here in New York, I just met someone yesterday, a professional colleague for a drink. And, there's no indoor dining here in New York. So you have to do, you know, outdoor dining. so there, there at least there's that you can like meet someone for coffee or for a drink outside. but

Nancy: [00:44:27] have they shut down streets up near by you?

Chris: [00:44:31] They haven't the only streets they've shut down, so to speak are, they've certain streets they've they've narrowed because they're using part of the street to help extend the, outside diet.

Nancy: [00:44:45] Yeah. They shut down multiple streets, like in Baltimore, because all these businesses weren't equipped to have outdoor dining beforehand, and now they kind of just have to adjust.

Chris: [00:44:56] Right. Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, in New York outside dining was kind of already a thing. So most, most of the restaurants already had some outside dining, but obviously they weren't prepared to give up all of their inside space. So they need more space in order to accommodate the customers. But, so it's like, okay, so you're, you're swiping back and forth on tender or on OkCupid or whatever.

And. You you're both in quarantine. And I mean, I guess it's normal that in this sort of thing, you, you text her awhile or get her talk on the out per rent before you meet up. But. I mean, I guess some people just get straight to the point and I suppose just,

Nancy: [00:45:46] I think it almost expedites the whole process now.

Right? Because you have people that are out of work, so they have all this time and attention that they can give you via texting or, you know, video chatting. so it almost feels like things move a little. Faster because you normally write, Oh, I match with this guy. We're going to text a little bit. We're going to go on a date next week.

And then, you know, maybe a week after that, we go out again. But now it's like, well, no, one's going anywhere. We have nothing going on. So if you want to video chat again tonight, like, what

Chris: [00:46:18] are you doing right again, I guess that's a good point. I mean, normally like. When I meet someone on a dating app, I tend to not go too far into the conversation because I'm like, cause I'm really bad at small talk and I'm really bad at per stage.

So I don't want to like say too much in the online conversation because then I'm like, well, shit. Then we have nothing to talk about when we actually meet. So I'm usually one of those people who's very much like. As soon as I kind of feel you out and can tell that you're like not a psycho and you're normal.

And I like you, I'm like, let's set a date for coffee, but, or, you know, drinks, but in this situation you would just have to keep talking online or, or switch to text or FaceTime or whatever. that's so awkward. Like maybe I'm weird, but I like. These timing with someone that I've never at before. And don't know, I just think that's so odd.

I mean, a first date is already awkward enough, but to do it virtually.

Nancy: [00:47:25] Yeah. But you don't have to drive now, so you can really get blasted at the house.

Chris: [00:47:29] Well, I'm in New York, so we never drive anyway, but so that's never an issue. But, and then, I mean to think that there's people who are like, Hey, I just met you let quarantine together for 14 days.

I mean, this is some forensic files type shit. Unsolved mysteries, bitch.

 do you tell your friends like, Hey, I'm going to stay at this guy's house for 14 days. I don't return. This is where I am.

Nancy: [00:48:05] well, I mean, even before COVID I was sending out first name, last name, address, you know, headshot, like everything. Whenever I went out with someone.

So it was like, guys, if you find my body in a ditch here, so I was wet. I do think that, like, in my situation, I wasn't gonna bring up doing FaceTime first because the quarantine snack struggle is very real. So I was like, they'll just put off the video, chatting. But it was a lot of like very heavy texting because, you know, I'd finish my Workday and then I'd just be bullshit on the couch and can't really go anywhere.

Cause I've tried to take it very seriously and only go out when I absolutely have to. so it was a lot of texting. And then after I'm going to say it was maybe a week of pretty consistent communication throughout the day and into the night he brought up, I want to have a FaceTime date. I was like, Yeah, I, my, my liquor is stocked. I can make that work and it wasn't as awkward as I thought it was going to be. Now the Skype date that I did, where I had talked to that guy for, I don't know, like four hours on one of the apps. And he was like, yes, look, we should have a drink tonight over Skype. And I was like, well, I'm not doing anything.

And the cat's kind of busy right now, so sure. That one was very awkward and he launched into like, ex-girlfriend chat really quickly and talked about how, like he's going to Harris Teeter later and they better have fucking frozen pizza. And I was like, Oh, okay. I think it's just kind of how you match with a person.

Right? Like obviously there's still duds out there. It's not like coronavirus brought all the good men out of the woodwork, but it was a. It was very awkward with some, but with my thing, it didn't feel awkward. I think if you have enough texting and like good back and forth upfront, then the FaceTime isn't as awkward.

But if it's like, you're struggling to keep the text chain alive. Yeah. That FaceTime is going to be trash.

Chris: [00:50:05] Yeah. I think things are better now for the most part, but there was a long period of time when. The grocery stores were depleted and you couldn't fucking find anything.

Like I remember there was a period of like two to three weeks where I was like, I literally am going to be out of toilet paper and like a day. And every time I send an Instacart person to every single store, they tell me there's none left and I don't know what I'm going to do. so to have somebody, I mean, I I've heard stories of, There's apparently a lot of like women who will go on a tender or whatever, and they have no intention of actually like really dating the guy or sleeping with him or whatever.

It's just literally to get like free meals. And so I'm like, what if, what if you have these people who are like orienting mooches who are just like, Hey, I can come over and stay in your house for 14 days. And. Eat up all your food and live off. You're like, yeah, like you'd drink up all your booze and then bounce.

Nancy: [00:51:14] Well, fuck for Clorox wipes.

Chris: [00:51:20] but yeah. And then, so what happens if it's like you decide to quarantine together and then three days in. You're like, nah, this ain't working out, but you're stuck.

Nancy: [00:51:34] That's why I was like, let's be very clear. You're coming to my fucking house. Like, I'm sure your gig is great, but if I'm going to be comfortable with us being this goddamn reckless during a pandemic that we're actually going to meet each other, you're coming to my place and.

We'll figure it out from there. And then we did have, yeah. But then with your

Chris: [00:51:56] place that you can't, you can't control whether they leave, at least if you're their place, you can be like, Hmm, this isn't working deuces.

Nancy: [00:52:05] I know where all the knives are in that place. That

Chris: [00:52:10] that's how I am when it comes well.

Yeah, that, that's how I am when it comes to like, even just regular. Like casual hookups or whatever. Like I prefer to go to their place because I don't, I just, the thing is so awkward when you want them to leave you. And you're like, I don't want to be rude by saying, I need you to get out.

Nancy: [00:52:30] Oh, I see. Now I've missing that gene.

I have no problem being rude. If I don't want you in my house, I'm going to say, get the fuck out of my house.

But we did talk and build up like a contingency plan of. A, like the FaceTiming has been great and the texting has been great and we've seem to really be, you know, clicking and connecting well, but if shit goes sideways, you're going to leave. Here's the hotels in the area that are still open because I called ahead to check.

And that was just our plan. Yeah. But thankfully it didn't come to that. but yeah, but it's such a weird. Conversation to have before you've even been like you've technically met them, right? Like you've had how many hours of phone calls and texting. And like, you've gotten to know this person, but you've never physically seen them in real life.

So it's such a weird, like, you know them, but you don't. And then

Chris: [00:53:23] what happened? Did you end up getting catfish or lower? Well, actually here's my other question about catfishing. Is it accurate to say that someone's cat fishing, if they are using, if the photos they're using are of themselves, but they're completely misleading.

That's what I would like to know. I asked this question on my Twitter and there was a huge divide. Like if you're using like, there's someone in particular whose name I'm not going to use, but a pretty, a pretty well known person on Twitter, who people were taking his. Various profile photos. He's used on Twitter over the years and comparing to what shows up when you Google image him.

And they're like, and they're like, y'all, this is catfish. This is literally catfishing. Cause he looks in the, these photos that he's putting his press, his profile photos are technically him, but they're so misleading in terms of what he actually looks like. But, no. So like what happens if you. If they show up to your door with their like fucking sleeping bag in there, they heard, you know, pillow and they're like, Hey, I'm ready for quarantine.

And they're like, wait.

Nancy: [00:54:35] again, this is why they come to my place because I'm an open them blinds. And if you don't like your fucking photo, I don't have to open that door

Chris: [00:54:43] and

Nancy: [00:54:43] drag your ass back onto the fucking road and have a blessed day. But no, see, this is again, bring them to your place. I don't have to open that door,

Chris: [00:54:54] looking through the fucking blinds like mrs.

Kravitz from Bewitched.

Nancy: [00:54:59] So here's my thing with. Like if you're saying this dudes photo that his was his profile picture, but it was him like 200 pounds ago to me, that's catfishing, right? Like, unless it's a throwback Thursday, post honey, you should put some shit that's at least more recent or indicative of how you currently look.

So whenever. Whenever I was on the apps because I would constantly go through, like, these apps are garbage. I'm just going to delete all of them. And then, you know, hop, skip, and three weeks later I'd read, download. but I would always try when I would read, download them to have a picture that was at least.

Like a couple months old. Right. We all have certain pictures of ourselves that we love, that we tend to reuse over and over, but I would always try to just throw in one, like, okay, so here's the most recent picture of me. This is from a month ago or two months ago. So this is what I really look like. So I don't come across.

Like, I feel like it is catfishing, even if it's pictures of you, but if it doesn't, it's not accurate for how you currently look, your photos wouldn't be yours.

Chris: [00:56:05] I mean, but what.

Sorry, we're getting candy. What is the cutoff for how old? I mean, I have, I have a photo of that. My profile photo on Twitter right now, which is from when we went to Hawaii in January of 2019. Yeah, which was a year and a half ago. Now I use that photo because I like, and it's very, I mean, it's old in the sense that it's a year and a half old is mostly reflective of how I look now though.

I probably gained a little bit of weight during quarantine, but like,

Nancy: [00:56:55] no, I just saw you. You still look just like that.

Chris: [00:57:02] Like what the cutoff. Or I guess, I mean, I mean, if you're like, what if you're using like a five year old photo that still mostly resembles what you look like now? Is that okay

Nancy: [00:57:16] to me? That's okay. Yeah. So to me, it's like, if I have a photo of me where I was 60 pounds lighter, And I'm using that as my main profile picture on a dating app, specifically, not social media, cause I'm kinda mad with social media, but specifically for dating apps.

If I have a picture of me where I was 60 pounds lighter, and I'm using that as my main or my only photo, that to me is very misleading and that's catfishing also. I think if you have like you've drastically changed your hair or like any, any. You know, deep swings with your appearance. I feel like that's when the picture kind of becomes null and void because I have a picture of myself from that same trip and I did use that on the dating apps, but I would also try to put whatever the most recent photo of me was.

That was always the first photo, even if I didn't think it was the best photo of me.

Chris: [00:58:15] Yeah. I mean , I have  some very old photos. That I use on dating apps. but I also have, I also have ones that are very recent, so I just kind of, I'm like, let me just run the gamut of all my photos and you can decide based on the totality of the clips.

Well,

Nancy: [00:58:37] I think the other thing too is we are not like, we're not like selfie people. Right. So like, I always try to, this is going to sound so terrible, but when I first downloaded Tinder back in 2015, my one of my guy friends in LA was like walking me through it. He was like, first picture it, make it a good picture of your face.

Second picture got to be full body. So we know you're not 400 pounds. And I was like, that's the meanest shit I've ever, but it was so hard for me to find. Like full length, complete photos of me by myself, because I don't take pictures of myself and times where I'm in pictures and you can see my full body.

It's I'm at a wedding with an ex boyfriend, or, you know, I'm in some huge group picture and who wants to be the girl that uploads the group picture. So the

Chris: [00:59:27] guy has to go, Jesus grows. Which one is she?

Nancy: [00:59:28] So that's a struggle too with dating apps. I do have some selfies on there, but it's so rare that I ever take pictures of myself.

So I only had them for the dating apps. So some of the older ones I had, which would show my body type more, I felt like I couldn't use them because they were too old or there were too many people in the photo.

Chris: [00:59:51] Yeah. I mean, I, I don't think I have any full body photo. I mean, I have ones where you can see, you know, my neck and my shoulders and maybe my little bit of my chest, but.

I mean, it's enough to see that I'm not just like a skinny had with like we're booking, like fucking what's her name? the girlfriend, Charlie and photography factory, who they had to like roll out of their own balloons.

Nancy: [01:00:19] Oh, violet Overgaard violet, violet, violet.

Chris: [01:00:26] but yeah, I don't think, I can't even think of a single picture of myself.

That's a full. Body for like, I, I can't, I just cause even, even group photos, even all the group photos that I've taken from several from the past, however many years, they're all like selfies we took where it was just the top halves.

Nancy: [01:00:49] So I will tell you out of the, the man I spoke to on the apps during the beginning of quarantine, Cause of course.

And I don't know if this is just like, maybe it's just a straight people thing that we do this, but we always talk about how garbage, like the interactions have been on the app. That's, that's usually discussed pretty quickly. I feel like with almost every match I've had, that comes up at some point, like those little how's fender treating you, and then you just have the whole conversation and shared nightmare stories.

I've had. Yup. Okay. God, they're garbage. Aren't they I've had, I've had like every guy tell me about, apparently that's a thing with the clothes crop, selfies that certain angles and filters that women are really good at masking their actual weight. So I've had multiple men say to me, like, so why don't you have any full body pics?

Like, are you 300 pounds? I'm like, Hmm. Alright, Casanova let's pump the brakes there, but apparently that is a thing having one photo, tight cropped kind of selfie. So you can't have any idea of what their body type,

Chris: [01:02:04] right? Well, here's my thing, even if, even if your photos are misleading and I still find you attractive and your real form.

I still find the fact that you were trying to be misleading, a complete turnoff, because it just says to me that you were dishonest person, you know what I mean? Like if,

if you're starting off our interaction by you trying to mislead me about how you look then. That tells me something about your character. And so if you would lie about something like that, then why should I trust you? But I had, I was doing an intern somewhere, and the woman who was my supervisor, this was like 15 years ago.

She, she was single at the time. She's married now. And she was, I believe, meeting guys on J date. And, where her office was in Manhattan. She was able to like the office that she was in. She could see the street from her office window. And so she would have the guys, when they would meet for dates, she would say, okay, meet me at the corner of 53rd and fifth or wherever the office was.

I forgot. And she would literally with literally have the guys come there. And once they were there, they text her and, she would open the block and look out on the corner and if they didn't look like the photo or she didn't find them attractive, she would just ghost and never show up to the date.

Nancy: [01:03:42] Icon icon legend star. Amazing.

Chris: [01:03:49] At first you're kind of like, well, that's really mean, but then the other hand it's like, well, shit. If, if you're misleading people, then I kind of feel like maybe you that's what you get. Like, this is what you were trying to lie and mislead someone. I mean, what do you think is going to happen?

When did I guess, do they cause that even people who are full on catfishing, like there have been, I think episodes of 90 day fiance , where, the person was fishing and, and they met there. It was  revealed , Oh, you catfished me, but they still dated them anyway. So I guess it's, it happens, but I'm just thinking in the, from the perspective of the person who's doing it, what do you think is going to happen when you show up to the date and they see that you clearly don't look like your photos either because you use like 10 year old photos that were like 300 pounds ago.

Or you're using somebody else's photos. What do you think is going, do you think delusional? We believe that like the person's going to be like, Oh, I guess this is okay. Let's order. It

Nancy: [01:04:48] fell in love with your soul, not your

Chris: [01:04:50] right. Like I don't, I don't get what you think out how you think this is going

to

Nancy: [01:04:55] add that.

That could be said too, about people that use like the crazy face tune or filters on social media, where I'm like. Girl, you know, we know what you look like, right? Like we've seen you in real life and that is not what you look like.

Chris: [01:05:10] Yeah. I mean, it, look, it's one thing to just kind of like, you know, clean up a photo a bit, you know, use the auto, you know, filter that just kind of, you know, color, correct.

Some, whatever, the lighting and the contrast, whatever. and you know, maybe you had a pimple that day, so you kind of use the healing brush, you'd go shop or something. I don't know. But so, you know, so it's one thing to just kind of like clean up. The photo, but it's another thing to actually like alter your appearance to you.

So that it's actually like, this is not what you look like.

Nancy: [01:05:43] Yeah. Like changing the shape of your nose or like your jaw line or for, we know what you look like. Come on out here, the water's fine. Gotta do all this mess.

Chris: [01:05:54] Hi. so yeah, I guess that's it for today. hopefully the next time, we're the next episode.

We're not in lockdown anymore and people are able to start dating in person again, but. Given our current scars probably unlikely. but, see you guys next. Hi, I'm hopefully you finished her wine. If you didn't Chuck that shit down now.

Nancy: [01:06:31] Hi, .